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[edit] Why all those links about the radio station?
Is there anything citeable available that connects Hill to the radio station? And do there really have to be all those links about the TN legislature bills? Remember that this article has to stay neutral (WP:NPOV) and follow the guidelines about biographies of living people (WP:BLP), which means being careful to stay evenhanded and accurate. The article links to a couple of anti-Hill blogs, which is fine; people looking for gossip and non-neutral material can visit those blogs easily enough. Could the links section be trimmed somewhat? Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
>>> Why all those links about the radio station? Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I am keeping in mind that this is a Tennessee politican stub, however, the actual physical location of Hill's "Appalachian Radio Group" is of a Tennessee political nature itself as Hill's ARG is located within the Leitner Pharmaceuticals building owned by the widely noted Republican campaign contributor John M. Gregory. ARG is not actually a legal entity itself, but merely a moniker as to how Rep. Hill refers to his operations of the WHCB 91.5 FM radio station et al (a.k.b. 501(c)(3) non-profit Appalachian Educational Communications Corporation) and the for profit WPWT 870 AM radio station.
I did remove two of the ownership links that can be found at the FCC queries.
>>> Is there anything citeable available that connects Hill to the radio station? Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
The following citation ties up nicely to Rep. Hill, his mangerial roles at WHCB and WPWT, and his 2004 pre-general election statements regarding the "conception" of his 2006 Ten Commandments Bill. The original creator of the Matthew Hill stub listed Hill's Ten Commandment bill; I have only posted here as to properly expand the Matthew Hill Tennessee Politican stub:
Date Published: August 3, 2004 Patton, challengers square off in debate for District 7 House seat http://www.timesnews.net/archives/index3.php?id=9454397 Author: JAMES BROOKS
... Hill said he is operations manager for the Appalachian Radio Group, which includes the Christian station WHCB. He further supports the Ten Commandments on the courthouse wall.
>>> And do there really have to be all those links about the TN legislature bills? Remember that this article has to stay neutral (WP:NPOV) and follow the guidelines about biographies of living people (WP:BLP), which means being careful to stay evenhanded and accurate. Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
The orignal creator of the 'Matthew Hill' stub failed to include any reference to the actual bill numbers for either the bill pertaining to Hill's proposal for the display of Ten Commandments within Tennessee court houses or Hill's proposal to execute those convicted of child rape in Tennessee.
Hill's submitted Tennessee legislative bills are public records that are produced by the Tennessee General Assembly, thereby being "neutral", "evenhanded", and perhaps most importantly in this case, "accurate". Futhermore, fiscal notes are not always attached to both the house and the senate versions of the same proposed legislation as filed within the Tennessee General Assembly and a Wikivisitor may be interest in viewing one related bill record and not others. In any case, I will trim the legislative bill links down to the bill summary links (cutting out the direct links to both the actual bills and the fiscal notes aas the can be linked from the bill summaries).
>>>The article links to a couple of anti-Hill blogs, which is fine; people looking for gossip and non-neutral material can visit those blogs easily enough. Could the links section be trimmed somewhat? Phr 11:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Links not used as sources can be listed in the External links section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AManual_of_Style_%28links%29
You seem to have overlooked the "favorable" links from your trim request --- why link to a non-loading archive of Hill's 2004 campaign web site while Hill has an active campaign web site at http://www.matthewlistens.com ?
- The archive link is used to source the mention of Hill's work at the radio station (the article now uses the footnote citation style to make it easy to match up statements with cites). Some other reliable source may well be preferable to the web archive, so if you know of one, feel free to change the cite. But biographies of living people, especially when not all the info is sympathetic, is one of the most paranoia-fraught areas of Wikipedia right now, so please be very careful about sourcing. See Daniel Brandt for an example of a carefully sourced biographical article: the depth of annotation all by itself should give you an idea of what we're up against.
- I'll try to respond about the other stuff in the next day or so (I'm spending too much time on wiki right now). We're in a situation where nobody working on this article is really a fan of the guy, so it's easy for the article to become one-sided, and we have to take it on ourselves to watch out for that. Remember that Wikipedia is an altruistic project to produce and give away an encyclopedia of the highest possible quality and neutrality; pressing particular agendas in articles may satisfy an urge but it diminishes the project, so please don't abuse the altruism that way. (And please don't kid yourself that anything that's objectively true is automatically neutral. You know better. Imagine a similar level of editing to this article but done by a fundie--you'd find it completely slanted). Phr 21:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] restored critical blog links
I'm about to restore the links to the two critical blogs, removed by 65.40.234.169 (talk · contribs) (I left a note on that address's talk page). It's legitimate to include a pointer to criticism in a bio article; if there's a supporter site (besides the campaign site), that should be added, instead of deleting the critic link.
The article still needs cleanup, in particular if the radio station stuff is relevant then it should be explained in the article. Can you folks take care of it? I got here sort of by accident and don't want to stay involved for too much longer. My main wish is that the article stays neutral and verifiable per Wikipedia policy and doesn't take on a partisan slant in either direction.
Btw, I'm sorry if anyone felt jumped on during the early editing of this article. It was a little bit strange to have these anonymous POV edits show up as soon as the article was created, and the response was probably a little too unfriendly. Phr 17:57, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Not a "B" Class article
See more at: Ethically Updating Wikipedia http://www.webpronews.com/blogtalk/2007/07/18/ethically-updating-wikipedia
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[edit] Pharmaceutical industry section
Why does this biographical article about Matthew Hill contain a history of several pharmaceutical companies? The section mentions Hoechst AG, Marion Merrill Dow, Nutrinova, King Pharmaceuticals, etc. Controversies about the companies are discussed extensively. However, that information has little to do with Matthew Hill. The section needs to be slimmed down to only include properly sourced information directly related to Matthew Hill. Additionally, the first paragraph asserts that "During both his 2004 and 2006 political campaigns, Rep. Hill has accepted many generous campaign contributions from former King Pharmaceuticals, Inc. CEO and current Leitner Pharmaceuticals, LLC CEO John M. Gregory, Gregory family members, and corporate executives employed within both the King and Leitner pharmaceutical companies founded by Gregory." This statement is completely unsourced. WP:BLP states that unsources contentious material about living persons must be "removed immediately and without discussion." Due to the fact that this is a biography of a living person, I have immediately made the following changes to the pharmaceutical section:
- All information not directly related to Matthew Hill has been removed
- The unsourced information about campaign contributions has been removed
That leaves one paragraph left--the paragraph about the location of the companies for which Matthew Hill works. If someone finds a source for the claim about the campaign contributions, feel free to insert it into the section. Until a source is found, however, that information must be left out. Your thoughts on the new, shorter section? --SirEditALot (talk • contribs) 01:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] American Indian?
I checked out the article after it was mentioned on the BLP board. It seems a little unusual to use the expression "American Indian" now days. Isn't "Native American" more normal? Steve Dufour 01:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- And is being home-schooled so remarkable that it should be the first thing said about him? Steve Dufour 03:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 1 week page protection
I have edit protected this article for one week in response to a complaint of disruption. This action does not imply an endorsement of its current version: see Wikipedia:The wrong version. Please direct any pressing concerns that relate to Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy to the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. DurovaCharge! 18:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
