Talk:Mark Bellinghaus
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I wish in the interest of openness to state that I have received emails from someone claiming to be the subject of this article and making suggestions about the article. While I do not think this compromises me (as I believe I am independent enough not to follow any suggestion I disagreed with), and indeed I think it preferable to the subject editing the article himself, I want to be up-front and make this information open to all. --John (talk) 03:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sequence and Extent
While I believe this subject is notable, I think that the notability is substantially due to the Monroe issue and the acting is less relevant. Unfortunately the sequence of the article emphasizes the acting. I think the biographical info. on the subject is not that relevant, and should be trimmed and moved down the page. I would mention the acting within the bio info and trim the puffery.
Also the Monroe section is overly detailed for an encyclopedia and should be aggressively trimmed.
--Kevin Murray 16:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Suggested new text
--Kevin Murray 17:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Mark Bellinghaus (born July 20, 1963) is notable as a collector of Marilyn Monroe memorabilia, who successfully contested the authenticity of a major Monroe exhibition[citation needed]. He is also an actor who has appeared in German films and on German TV, and is a photojournalist in Southern California.
Marilyn Monroe collector
In 1995 Bellinghaus emigrated from Germany to the United States, where he met Anna Strasberg, the owner of the estate of Marilyn Monroe. He studied Monroe's life and legacy, and collected memorabilia.
In 2005, as a photographer for the Beverly Hills Courier, he attended the press opening of Marilyn Monroe — the exhibit, staged by CMG Worldwide (which manages Monroe's estate) and promoted as the "biggest and best collection of Marilyn Monroe memorabilia on display, ever." The value of the exhibit was announced as $10 million.
Bellinghaus observed that a set of plastic electric hair curlers, was not authentic memorabilia, as it was made by Clairol in 1974 twelve years after Monroe’s death in 1962. He also asserted that over 95% of the memorabilia on display was not authentic, and estimated the real value under $30,000. He published his views on Blogcritics on February 6, 2006. The curlers and other items were removed from the exhibition. The exhibitor explained the removals as "refreshing the exhibit." Two months later, Bellinghaus published his second blog, this time with co-author Ernest Cunningham, titled "Marilyn Monroe Exhibit Exposed As $8.75 Million Lie". KCAL TV news interviewed Bellinghaus about his claims.
On May 26, 2006, a class action lawsuit was filed by Ernest Cunningham (a Monroe author) and Emily Sadjady (a Monroe collector), claiming damages for purchasers of the exhibition tickets. The suit, which is scheduled to take place at Los Angeles Superior Court on May 7, 2007, alleges that the exhibition curator was aware of the fraud. The exhibition has been canceled.
Bellinghaus and Cunningham have also questioned the authenticity of Marilyn, Joe and Me, a book and prospective movie by June DiMaggio and Mary Jane Popp, who deny they were involved in the Queen Mary exhibition.
Early life
Bellinghaus was born in Germany; his father, died two years later. At age 16, he began to acting. Two years later moved to Munich to study at the Acting Academy for three years. During this time he supported himself with modeling and minor acting in commercials, on stage and in movie.[citation needed].
By 1990 he had secured several TV roles. In 1991 he played actress Meret Becker's brother Kurti, in the multiple award-winning Fremde, liebe Fremde (Foreigner, Dear Foreigner). In 1993, he played Malte Borrell in the TV show SOKO 5113. He played Knut Sonntag in the hit TV show Immer wieder Sonntag, written by Herbert Lichtenfeld.
- Showbizdata>"Name of the Rose, The 1986 Credits", Showbizdata.com
- CrewUnited>"Flaming Armadillo (1989)", Crew United
- CITWF>"Pokok", Complete Index To World Film
- (German)"Erfolge"
- IMDB2>"SOKO 5113: Die Mutprobe (1993)", IMDb television show episode
- IMDB3>"Immer wieder Sonntag" (1993)", IMDb television series page
- CMGWorldwide>"Marilyn Monroe: The Exhibit", CMG Worldwide
- LAIndependent>"Expert: Marilyn Show Memorabilia Fake", by Mary Frances Gurton, 15 February 2006, Los Angeles Independent
- Blogcritics>"Marilyn Monroe's Memory Defrauded in Long Beach - The Truth Is Here", Mark Bellinghaus, February 6, 2006, Blogcritics
- LA Independent2>"Marilyn Memorabilia Furor Deepens", by Mary Frances Gurton, 05 April 2006, Los Angeles Independent
- Blogcritics2>"Marilyn Monroe Exhibit Exposed As $8.75 Million Lie", Mark Bellinghaus, April 14, 2006, Blogcritics
- "Marilyn Monroe Exhibit Aboard Queen Mary Raises Questions", Bellinghaus TV interview by Rick Chambers, April 17, 2006, KCAL(video)
- PressTelegram>"Suit contests QM's Monroe exhibit", By Phillip Zonkel, May 31, 2006, Long Beach Press-Telegram
- TheCitizen>"Controversy Dogs New Marilyn Monroe Book, Highlights Hollyweird", December 4, 2006, The Citizen, The Citizen Media Group.
[edit] Comments on the above rewrite
Fine with me. A bit more in Early life section would be useful. Tyrenius 19:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- Ty, add what you like. Maybe we can flesh this out to better article --Kevin Murray 19:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm Bellinghaus'd out right now. I suggest be bold, put in your version and store any unused factoids on this page (with refs attached). Tyrenius 19:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
- How should I proof the other engagements in film, tv and theater? I have contracts, critics and photos.(copied from email from Mmmovie)
The best thing is mentions in papers and magazines, where they mention your name. These are particularly needed where it says [citation needed]. We don't need photos, nor I think contracts.
If it's a critic, give a quote (in German with English translation). Keep it short. We don't want the whole article, just the key sentence or two. Supply name of critic, date, title of article, name of paper, page number (as much of that as you have). If it's online then give the URL.
If it's simply to confirm that you were in a particular production, then again title of article, name of paper, page number, date. If it's online then give the URL.
Tyrenius 03:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Material removed from article
This is placed here so it can be restored if necessary, perhaps depending on a verifiable reference. Tyrenius 06:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
- Germany and acting
(skating) won championships in single and pair competitions in Germany[citation needed].
Age 18 - He worked as a fashion model and in commercials[citation needed].
After Name of the Rose - At the same time, he also acted at the Residenztheater Munich, in Bertolt Brecht's Life of Galileo, partnering Erwin Faber[citation needed]. As a member of the ensemble of the Residenztheater, Bellinghaus played several roles in David Mamet's Edmond, directed by Walter Bockmayer, and acted in Tankred Dorst's Heinrich, or the pain of fantasy[citation needed]. He played the lead as Pumuckl in the stage version of Master Eder and his Pumuckl, a hit childrens' play, at the Stadttheater Ingolstadt[citation needed].
(1989) He was the lead in Josephine, Susanne Aernecke's short film, given Best Short Film Award at the Hofer Filmtage film festival[citation needed].
[edit] Amazon.com
Re. his comments on amazon being removed by them - I've put this back in, as it came from a verifiable source, and ours not to reason why... unless there is a source to the contrary of course. Otherwise, surely it's POV, NOR and KGB (the last one's not actually a very well know wiki policy). Tyrenius 11:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
- AIUI Amazon.com moderates and selects only those comments they want to see there. Thus it is not a case of the comments being removed as much as them not being published at all. My comments are often not used; amazon.co.uk is even worse. In this case I think the source is wrong. I'll let the edit stand for now though; not for me to breach WP:KGB... --Guinnog 12:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
I had noticed, that several references weren't using the proper article titles. Well, they have been switched back the way they were before. What is there to hide here? Many of them are still not formatted correctly, but have been reverted to Tyrenius's last edit. Deatonjr 05:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's the accidental aftermath of different editors adding them. Please improve at will. Tyrenius 04:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] William Travilla 'lost' collection exhibition hoax stopped
[edit] Questions of authenticity of claimed Marilyn Monroe worn William Travilla costumes arises -- 'lost' collection exhibit ultimately stopped
I just wanted to post some links to the biggest controversy in terms of the William Travilla 'lost' collection of claimed Marilyn Monroe worn costumes. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2567587.ece The exhibition was canceled by the hosting Hilton Hotel group after the first stop and showing in early October, 2007, in Brighton, United Kingdom. Here is a link to the website which claimed all of the seven dresses were worn by Marilyn Monroe. http://www.travillacollection.com/ After some research and comparison to the real costumes, the difference was obvious and also visible. http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/21512/-Fake-claim-over-Monroe-show After being featured in England's HELLO! magazine, modeled by Peaches Geldof, 19, Bob Geldof's daughter, for which the tabloid paid 7,000 British Pounds to the Travilla team, the hoax was getting very obvious, since the people behind the Travilla project were repeating their method with other newspapers as well. http://www.southyorkshiretimes.co.uk/news/Lucy-steps-out-in-Monroe39s.3364714.jp Bill Sarris, the former partner of William Travilla (who died in 1990), Andrew Hansford, the person in charge for this project in England, and others would sent a Cease & Desist to collector Mark Bellinghaus, (who was very successful in stopping the biggest exhibition fraud in recorded history), Jennifer J. Dickinson and author Ernest Cunningham, who despite the Travilla team threat did not stop to warn the public about this costume memorabilia fraud. http://www.pr-inside.com/marilyn-monroe-lost-william-travilla-costume-r234197.htm Collector Mark Bellinghaus does own a real and authentic William Travilla made costume which was worn by Marilyn Monroe. http://www.pr-inside.com/marilyn-monroe-lost-collection-stopped-r242619.htm This exhibition fraud which was committed with the name of Marilyn Monroe was the second one within two years. A Marilyn Monroe exhibition which was on display for seven months in Long Beach, CA, from 2005 to 2006, was ultimately canceled after a class action lawsuit was filed by Ernest Cunningham and Emily Sadjady, on May 26, 2006. The 'lost' Travilla collection has not moved forward and to other venues, since this project was canceled by the appointed host, the Hilton Hotel Corporation. http://www.pr-inside.com/marilyn-monroe-lost-collection-stopped-r242619.htm 76.170.67.99 76.170.67.99 18:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Links and References Clean-up Request
I nominated this article for AfD because it seemed to be nothing more or less than self-promotion (compare to Bellinghaus' entry in the German-language WP). The nomination helped to trim some of the cruft, but there are still references linking to blogs and press releases, both explicitly discouraged in WP:SPS and WP:EL. There are also blog and YouTube links in the external links section. I would make these edits myself, but I have a conflict with one of the main editors, so can someone else please take a look at this? Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've culled a few of the external links which didn't seem to satisfy WP:EL. Please let me know here or at my talk if you identify any others which need to be removed. --John (talk) 18:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the culling. In the current version of the page references 14, 15, and 25 (despite the description) are blogs. References 21 and 30 are press releases. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think the reference to Blogcritics is to support the claim that the subject posted there; I think in this case we are allowed to link to a blog. See here. --John (talk) 03:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
- I understand and accept your rationale for the Blogcritics inclusions in this case, but there are still issues.
- ref 25 links to a blog, not a newspaper as described in the link. Perhaps someone could find a better source.
- ref 21 is a press release that doesn't seem to be supporting the fact to which it is applied.
- ref 30 is a self published press release that is used to source a third person quote in the article, and is probably "unduly self-serving" as WP:SPS says.
- Can someone consider cleaning these up? Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- I understand and accept your rationale for the Blogcritics inclusions in this case, but there are still issues.
- I think the reference to Blogcritics is to support the claim that the subject posted there; I think in this case we are allowed to link to a blog. See here. --John (talk) 03:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the culling. In the current version of the page references 14, 15, and 25 (despite the description) are blogs. References 21 and 30 are press releases. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
