Talk:Manu (Hinduism)
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[edit] Flood character?
Ive read that Manu is the flood protagonist of the Hindu culture, and is also the human progenitor of Irani culture, why isnt this mentioned? Here is the connection between Manu with Noah and with Nimrod (Menes). Manu is the word we use to say man or mankind. He can therefore be Adam or he can be Noah beacuse he is the father of all. However, we have a nother Father, a Pope (or Papa) who was named Narmer (Nimrod) and in the year 350 he created the Pharaoh. This is also the year Noah died, which is therefore the incentive to unite the two families pitted against each other when Noah cursed for being defiled in his tent. Narmer named himself Men or Mena or Menes. He therefore was taking a lead to make decisions for kings, the way the Catholic Papa also does. For this reason there is confusion between the Flood year and Noah's death year. It is at Noah's death that Narmer becomes Manu, and yet Noah is recorded by descendents as being Manu at the Flood. So too it is at his death that Noah becomes V-ish-Nu (ascending man Noah) and yet it is at the Flood that Ma-Nu represents the incarnate of Vish-Nu. This is all caused by a spirit named Xisuthros who at Noah's death claimed to be Noah, despite this king dying in the Flood and returning to heaven. The spirit or last king before the Flood is therefore a liar, he is not Noah. The year 2256 of Adam is regarded as Manu's star (Men's star). It is correctly 600 years after the Flood (1656), but again this year 2256 becomes claimed as the Flood. The confusion is whether Venus or Mars as Men's star is Noah's star or Nimrod's star. So we have three years for that star, the year of Flood, the year 350 years after Flood, and the year 600 after Flood which LXX claims is year 936 or 950 after Flood. While many readers wish to know this, i find too many evil egotists who rule Wikepedia and choose for these readers by deleting this. So copies of this will be posted to show that the death of all Egypt occurred because the school priests tried to kill Moses, as you try to kill all that i say too.
[edit] Upper caste bias
The upper caste ppl r continuously changing this page to hide the fact that laws of manu started caste system which promoted slavey to low caste. Their social status was that of insects, i.e. lower than animals.
there is no caste system in Hinduism. It was a word used by the portuguese for an indian concept. Varnasharama Dharma is prescribed in Hinduism. There only four varnas and each are important contributors to society. we need laborer as much as we need doctors and teachers.
Varnas -The four classes of society/The Original Caste System
Hindu society has traditionally been divided into four classes, based on profession:
the Brāhmanas (also anglicised as Brahmins): teachers and priests;
the Kshatriyas: warriors, kings and administrators;
the Vaishyas: farmers, merchants, herdsmen and businessmen; and
the Shūdras: servants and labourers.
Each of these classes was called a varna, and the system was called Varna Vyavasthā. Some say it is debatable whether the Varna Vyavasthā system is an integral part of Hinduism or not and whether or not it is strictly sanctioned by the scriptures. The Shruti texts make very rare mentions of this system, without providing explicit definitions. But the Bhagavad Gītā (4.13) explicitly mentions that the four varna divisions are created by Bhagavān, the Supreme Lord. And the Smṛiti texts (including the Manusmriti) are more explicit in their categorisation of the classes and framing rather strict rules about this system. During its early development, the social structure was based upon the profession. The Gītā (4.13) explicitly says that one's varna is to be understood from one's qualities and one's work, not one's birth. It is noteworthy that many great sages became Brahmins. Vishvāmitra was a Kshatriya king before he became recognized as a great Brahmin sage. Vālmiki, once a robber, became a great sage while Veda Vyāsa was the son of a fisherwoman. A hymn from the Rig Veda says :
"I am a bard, my father is a physician, my mother's job is to grind the corn......" (Rig Veda 9.112.3).
Though historians do not agree on the specific period, the social system later became hierarchical and based upon birth, leading to the evolution of several sub-castes (along with a class of outcastes — now known as Dalits — outside the Varṇa Vyavasthā) and the practice of social discrimination of the Shūdra and Dalit classes, eventually forming the caste system as we know of today.
http://www.hinduwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#Varnashrama_Dharma
The religious institution of Varna-ashrama Dharma is followed in most Vaishnava Sects of Hinduism. Varna is simply an occupational structure for society. In varna there are four tiers Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, Shudras. All are important for a functioning society. You determine your varna by your skills and ability. Not by birth or race. Brahmins are all religious clergy, gurus, saints, sadhus and the intellectual class(anyone with a Ph.D or graduates degree) etc......Kshatriya are the politicians, officers, soldiers etc....Vaishya are the business men, farmers, artists/painters/photographers etc... Shudras are the working class people to poor people. Those are the only four stations in varna ashrama dharma, there is nothing higher or lower. Whether a society labels these position the same or not , they still exist. Every functioning society must have these positions. In hinduism being in one of these stations doesn't carry any negative connotations. It's just something that exist. It's not race based or birth based, it's based on your skill/ability. That's not only fair it's practical, IMO. In Hinduism there is no Caste, but there is Varna, which is very different system. There is more mobility and evolution with varna ashrama dharma then there is with the static cultural implementation of caste system, which evolved from varna. But it's not the same system. 68.227.171.177 04:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Upper caste bias
It is true that many people used Manusmriti to prove that caste discrimination is ordained by god. But the fact that this does not have the blessings of Hinduism is proved through many texts. for example, the following link to a paper clearly demonstrates this. http://www.epw.org.in/showArticles.php?root=2003&leaf=11&filename=6474&filetype=html
Also, there are many people who say that Manusmriti has been rewritten many times. So, we must try to be balanced in this. When there is dispute about whether Manu wrote what is nowadays considered Manusmriti, then it has no place in this page. Remember that this is a page about Manu and NOT about Manusmriti. We can have separate page on Manusmriti and mention all points concerning it including all the controversies.
Sriksk21 06:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Sriksk21
