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This article is off to a great start, but needs work with references. RyguyMN 04:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Meetup

October 29, 2006 Wikipedia Minnesota Meetup location

[edit] Size

"Second-largest" prompts the obvious question. Michael Hardy 00:39 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

West Edmonton Mall in Edmonton, Alberta.
Built by the same group of entrepreneurs, I believe. Michael Hardy 02:20 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
And it's just had the zoning approved for another expansion, so don't any of you think of trying to beat us, either. :) Bryan
Any reliable intelligence on what that expansion will be? I've heard rumors for years. It's never just "more stores". I've heard that apartments will be attached, so that you can live at the MegaMall. I've also heard that it will have a water park. I'll believe it when I see it with my own eyes. - Eisnel 11:39, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

BTW, to all you Twin Cities folk: Does everyone call it "The MegaMall"? If so, that might be a neat tidbit to include. =o) - Eisnel

Yes, we do call it the Megamall. it's a fairly common turn of phrase. The_Shaggy_One
We do call it the Megamall, that's for sure. But, contrary to the claims of this article, when I say I'm going to the mall, I usually mean Ridgedale. I've found that most people who don't live in the bloomington area (i.e.: those with convienent access to the '-dales', Eden Prarie Center, Nicollet Mall, etc.) avoid MOA for most shopping outings. Lekoman 02:52, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
I'll second this. When I was living in Minneapolis, "The Mall" was ambiguous. It usually mean the MOA, but often refered to Rosedale as well. If one was specifically refering to MOA, "Megamall" seemed to be the most common slange. -- Kaszeta 13:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Although "megamall" is still being used by a very few. The new cool slang that is being used is just "MOA". Megamall is just too 90's, by now, everyone in Minnesota knows it's big. And after going to it countless times, the Megamall just doesn't seem to Mega anymore. Therefore, Going to the MOA is a more common term. So to answer your question, no everyone does not call it the megamall. January 2006

  • WCCO radio reporters used the term "Megamall" in early January when they reported the renaming of Camp Snoopy. Wahkeenah 05:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Reporters may use megamall, but amongst my peers, I agree that moa is used alot more. "Megamall" is too cheesy. Maybe its that generation Y'ers are using moa more, and baby boomers are using "megamall". January 25 2006

  • Moa is an extinct bird, which is ironic considering that the Wall Street Journal writer a couple of years referred to the MOA as a "dinosaur". So, do you pronounce it "M-O-A", or do you say "MOW-AH" like the bird? Or like a "New Yawkuh" trying to say "More", as in "Mega"? :) Wahkeenah 07:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I say it as "M-O-A", and most people around here seem to do the same. shaggy 19:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Interesting. "Mo-ah" is faster. They could rename their fish petting zoo "MoA's Ark". Wahkeenah 23:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  • That's creative name! Perhaps you should suggest it for their petting area. 29 January 2006
  • I think people would still call it M-O-A's Ark. 30 January 30 3006 Mall Lover

For the phase II concept, I highly doubt they will have a waterpark inside of it. Across the street, the brand new Waterpark of America (not associated with the mall) is being built. The Waterpark of America is also being built with a hotel. Therefore, taking away any chances that the Mall of America will build their own waterpark. February 08 2006 Mineeesota

  • Not true. Plans submitted in May 2006 show a water park. See [1] for details. --Steve Peterson 02:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] West Edmington Mall references removed (Edmington... where's that?)

I removed all of the insulting language here, which was well, EVERYTHING written here. If someone is going to edit an article, then EDIT it. This is NOT the place to bandy about insults. If you see a problem, (Which in this case was the misspelling of the word "Edmonton") Then FIX IT WITHOUT ADDING COMMENTARY LIKE "AMERICAN SCHOOLS DON'T TEACH".

Do we really need so many editors with a Quatloo complex? WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A CLIQUE!

Osirisrising (talk) 18:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rollercoaster Accident?

Wasn't there a rollercoaste accident on a coaster in Mall of America? I might be confused with another mall but I know there was one in the 80s that derailed and killed some people. Does anyone know any insight into what I have described? - Thanks --x1987x 17:28, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Gee, nevermind. [[2]] Mindbender coaster in the West Edmonton Mall. hehe.
I don't recall any rollercoaster accidents, but the "Mighty Axe" has had quite a few incidents in which is has gotten stuck upside down with riders on it (apparently it has a safety brake that kicked in). This happened at least three times between it's intro and 2001 when I left the area. -- Kaszeta 13:07, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Two people have died in the Mall of Americ's Camp Snoopy, both young boys. One was a suicide, and he jumped from the Log Ride, the other I'm unsure of the exact location, there are memorials to both boys in the camp.

[edit] Updated info

With the exception of Hooters, all the bars, restaurants, and nightclubs on the 4th floor have closed down. Jillians (who owned just about every club on the floor) had declared bankruptcy last year, so they were on thin ice financially as it was, and the new law in Hennepin County which included bars in the state's public smoking ban nailed Jillians' coffin shut. So now all that's on the 4th floor is Hooters and AMC. EmiOfBrie 07:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I was just up there a couple days ago and noticed all the night club windows had black plastic over them, but there are still large conference rooms in use.

[edit] Actual Size

According to this website, information regarding the King of Prussia Mall, Mall of America, and Woodfield Mall is incorrect. Perhaps we should check this information and update accordingly? Ajwebb 18:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Camp Snoopy

The MOA lost rights to use the Peanuts franchise recently. It's been temporarily renamed "The Park at MOA". This section should be re-written from scratch shaggy 07:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

  • So, what's stopping you? Wahkeenah 08:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source needed.

I removed this unsourced assertion:

A few years ago a Wall Street Journal writer described the style of the MOA as a "stegosaurus," although it remains a popular attraction.

Feel free to replace when sourced. —Encephalon 06:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Formerly contained the restaurants..."

Could Minnesota Picnic be added to this list? Chris 23:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Please add a section on the rumored 'secrets of the mall of america' aka 'the darkside of the megamall', like the tunnels, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.59.55 (talk • contribs)

  • Feel free to do some research and add the info to the article. Wahkeenah 03:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original research

Overall I think that this is a really good article, but I've placed an "original research" tag on it since it seems to make a lot of unsourced assertions. Can we please find some more references to show where the information is coming from, and to prove notability? I'm not saying that the mall isn't famous -- just that right now this article is way way outside of WP:V. --Elonka 18:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It needs footnotes (so do a lot of articles), but it's very far from original research, which is a very specific concept. As such, I've removed the tag as inappropriate. Rebecca 23:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most visited mall innacurate?

I was reading about the Ala Moana Center in Hawaii on wikipedia, and it stated that the Ala Moana Center gets 56 million visitors annually...

[edit] Dinosaur Walk Museum

We were at MOA last night and the Dinosaur Walk museum was closed and shuttered. A few weeks ago it was still open. Anyone know what's up with that area? I'm still lamenting the closing of Golf Mountain... --Rehcsif 21:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Section Merge

Should we merge the Square Footage / square metrage and Anchors section since most mall articles have the square feet after the anchor. Ex.

Metallic95 User Page | Talk 04:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Operation hours

Just curious, does the mall of america ever close? If it does close, than how does it stay warm because from what I understand, the light fixtures and heat from the people walking inside the mall are the only heaters for the building.

In Minnesota we've learned how to build efficient buildings that lose very little heat and capture maximum daylight during the day. The Mall hours change regularly of course but stores generally close around 9pm. The building stays unlocked usually until midnight. It use to open until 2am on most nights because of the fourth level bars. Still, there is so much building mass, electrical components, and ambient lighting during the eight hours of being closed that it is unlikely to ever freeze. With the raw cubic feet of the mall as well, the air would take many days before it would become freezing. Much of the building shell is buffered by service hallways and in turn is buffered by stores. So the interior air of the walkways and Camp Snoopy is well insulated. 75.72.162.175 07:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Someone took off my part in the article...WHY?

I wrote about the rides, thrill, family, kiddie, and I don't know why its gone now. What happened? --Gamekid 01:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

A wiki encyclopedic article is pretty dry, factual, etc. It's not a place to hurrah or emotionally discuss how much the mall rocks. .:DavuMaya:. 15:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additions

This article info should get sourced in http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/08/realestate/commercial/08mall.html?n=Top/News/Business/Companies/Simon%20Property%20Group,%20Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davumaya (talkcontribs) 17:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] retail space

Our article on Woodfield Mall says that it is the third largest in terms of retail space. So one of the articles is wrong. john k (talk) 07:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spam

The recent attempts by IP addresses, to post a reference to some book and video, look like "coatrack" attempts to post spam, i.e. to try to sell a product. Note the POV wording and that the thrust of the paragraph is not actually about the MOA, but about the author's attempt to sell something. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 10:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


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