Talk:Luka Modrić

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Luka Modrić article.
Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.	Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Be welcoming	Article policies No original research Neutral point of view Verifiability

This article is within the scope of multiple WikiProjects. Click [show] for further details

This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or if there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard. This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page. Biography Portal Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale. [FAQ] This article is supported by the Sports and games work group. It is requested that a picture or pictures of this person be included in this article to improve its quality. Note: Wikipedia's non-free content use policy almost never permits the use of non-free images (such as promotional photos, press photos, screenshots, book covers and similar) to merely show what a living person looks like. Efforts should be made to take a free licensed photo during a public appearance, or obtaining a free content release of an existing photo instead. Association football Portal The article on Luka Modrić is supported by the WikiProject on Football, which is an attempt to improve the quality and coverage of Association football related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page; if you have any questions about the project or the article ratings below, please consult the FAQ. Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale. Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

Contents 1 Tottenham transfer 2 Birth Location 3 A few minor errors 4 Adding in quote from Slaven Bilic 5 How to say his name

[edit] Tottenham transfer

Attention all budding scoop journalists! Modric may have agreed terms and signed a conditional contract with spurs, but he is still contracted to Dinamo Zagreb until the official end of the season and therefore his current club is Dinamo Zagreb. Please do not change this until it actually becomes reality. Wikipedia is about presenting encyclopaedic facts.--ClubOranje^Talk 08:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I have once again reverted an edit relating to transfer / squad number which may be immanent but as far as I can see from both DZ and TH clubs is yet to have been confirmed as completed as per comments above. Of course happy to yield if someone can produce a reliable source citing this rather than heresay!Tmol42 (talk) 12:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

It is true he posed with a Spurs shirt, and it was #14, but whether that becomes his allocated number has not been officially released yet.

I recall reading - but don't recall where, so don't take this as gospel - that the transfer was to take effect after a further medical to be completed after Euro2008, and the date of transfer was to be 03 July 2008, which seems an odd date because it is a Thursday, nearly a week after the Euro final.--ClubOranje^Talk 13:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I've not seen him in a Spurs shirt. Normally deals go ahead before a big tournament as prices often sky-rocket. See the Tottenham page for official verification would seem to be the best way to go, else phone the media office, at your own cost obviously. Alexsanderson83 17:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

He already agreed on terms, went through a medical check and everything. Modric definately played his last game for Dinamo so lets not be so stuck up and formal. As for his number he indeed took a photo for an internet portal posing with the Tottenham shirt in his hand having his name and number 14 on it but wheter this will be his number is unknown so let's just put TBD (to be decided).--Footbalista (talk) 15:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

So his work permit has been approved has it? I have not seen this reported / confirmed on the THFC website as per Wikipedia:Verifiability guidance however anticipated the change should only be made once verifiedTmol42 (talk) 15:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

He played nearly all (if not all) of the games for the Croatian national team in the last year and more, of courese he got the work permit.--Footbalista (talk) 18:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Clearly you think you know your employment law better than the THFC management see here. As Croatia is not in the EU or EEA he does needs a work permit before he can come and play football in the UK. Tmol42 (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I know very well what is the law in England, it depends on how many games the player has played for his national team in the last year. A player needs to play in 75% games of his national team (youth or major). There is also special case when the player is an "extraordiary talent". Modric satisfies all these conditions. Btw check these links too [1], [2], [3]. So again let's not be so stuck up about these trivial formalities, he is Tottenham player, it's clear as day. --Footbalista (talk) 00:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Methinks the British Home Office is still processing these 'trivial' formalities and even if he tried a shirt on the other day and had the photo shoot these have been kept under raps pro tem so we are yet to see the usual article plus photos on the THFC site announcing his induction into the club / squad number etc. Meanwhile DZ still have him as a player here. WP likes things cut and dried and cited but if you think that point has arrived make the edits you feel appropriate Tmol42 (talk) 01:21, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Again if his work permit is still processing it is obviously just a formality, Tottenham have announced him as their player and he signed a contract with them, it's a done deal. Now wheter he will wear the shirt with number 14 or 99 it is irrelevant since he will certainly play for Tottenham. As for Dinamo's website it means nothing, check 99% club websites (Tottenham's website included) and you will find out their team profile is the same, that is because they will be updated prior to the start of the new season. --Footbalista (talk) 14:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It may very well be a formality - the chances of Modrić being denied a work permit are nil - but this is an encyclopedia and formalities therefore matter. His registration won't be transferred to Spurs until the work permit is granted. From past experience, the Spurs website is updated very quickly when a new player arrives. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, the 'it's a formality' argument is a bad one in general. We all know that George Bush will no longer be president of the US come next year - it's a formality, right? So why don't we change the George Bush article to say he's no longer the president? That's what your logic would imply, Footbalista. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

This is completely flawed comparison. As I said Modric already signed the deal and the club announced him as a new player, the only thing left is his work permit which he will get 100% meaning it's a done deal. --Footbalista (talk) 02:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

There are hundreds of BLPs where this same argument happens, and while most complete, some do not. A line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere. Unless there is a defined place to draw it, arguments will go on ad infinitum until we reach the point where the line would have been drawn anyway - or fail to reach it!. When the forms are signed, medical passed, work permit granted, paperwork related to transfer submitted, then it is final and complete and may be reported as such, because then it happened and is a permanently recordable fact.--ClubOranje^Talk 08:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The club announced him as a new player pending a medical and work permit. Unless you can provide evidence that the work permit has been granted or that his registration has been transferred to Spurs, he is therefore not a Spurs player yet. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability and WP:NOTCRYSTAL. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

As for the comparison, you say it's flawed but don't give a reason why. Bush is 100 per cent guaranteed to no longer be president next year - he's reached the maximum of two terms so he has to go. But we don't say he's no longer president because for the time being he still holds the office. Similarly with Modrić - the transfer may well be guaranteed to go ahead but it hasn't been completed yet so he's still technically a Dinamo player. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Birth Location

Recent discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography concensus was reached that what a place was when a pearson was born is what should be shown as place of birth, but if that place had subsequently changed, it could be covered by adding a now known as wherever after the listed place. As Zadar was in SFR Yugoslavia in 1985, this applies here.--ClubOranje^Talk 08:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

The consensus was NOT reached. Mv240 (talk) 19:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A few minor errors

Good to see that the page is looking very good now, much more presentable and what not with new informational facts. Well done to all. To point out a few things, there is a small flag of Croatia picture missing next to 'Croatia' on the right side box menu. Someone should fix that up. Also, it would be excellent if we found an image to present on here. I will do some searching myself for a free image, it would be great if anyone who can help out the tiniest bit does so.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.84.249 (talk) 06:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! Regarding flags, I think you will find that the Manual of Style for football Bios has no consensus for inclusion of flags against clubs in infoboxes. I have therefore removed them, sorry.--ClubOranje^Talk 08:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Once more, someone has just messed up the page! The clubs stats are mixed up, out of order! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.84.249 (talk) 11:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

oops, sorry. Too much of a hurry. Should be good now. --ClubOranje^Talk 11:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding a picture, I think you will find a free public one on most of the news stories released on Luka Modric joining Tottenham. They are all using some basic pictures of him as their display, so I think it is safe to do the same. It would just be really great if we had a picture to put!

[edit] Adding in quote from Slaven Bilic

Slaven Bilic commented a lot on Modric's transfer to Tottenham but I think it can be best summarised in one quick statement. I put this in earlier but took it out because I wanted to clarify it here first. This was what I was thinking of putting in:

---His International manager, Slaven Bilic went on to say "The reason Tottenham were in a rush to sign Modric will become clear at Euro 2008".--- I dont quite know how to cite sources yet, so I will leave it to you. Here is the source of the quote: http://www.euro2008.uefa.com/news/kind=1/newsid=689622.html

And, if its not too much, I also think it would be worthwile to mention that since being signed by Tottenham, Modric has expressed happiness to play in England against fellow team mates Eduardo, Corluka and Kranjcar. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/tottenham/article3835647.ece Anyone feel free to comment on this or include it. I would appreciate credit where possible if this gets included :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domiy (talk • contribs) 07:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

With respect, I don't believe either of these are notable. Many people say many things, an encyclopedia is not a forum for peoples quotes. If and when Modric does something notable at Euro 2008 it will be noted. As for being happy playing against coutrymen... every player does that every day. driving a flash car may also make him happy. not notable.--ClubOranje^Talk 08:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How to say his name

Is it Modrick or Modrich?

BBC say it Modrich but most others say Modrick —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xkingoftheworldx (talk • contribs) 18:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It's the latter. Ć is pronounced as soft "ch" in Croatian. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)