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Contents 1 Picture 2 Introduction Date 3 Predecessor 4 Price? 5 Austin Rover Group ECV3/Lotus Elise link 6 UK price? 7 Price redux 8 Too informal 9 Infobox 10 Predecessor

[edit] Picture

The current picture has a lot of glare, and is also pretty grany when blown up. Anyone got an Elise they can take pictures of?

I added mine. I think it's a nice pic. Got others if you're interested.--Rod 06:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction Date

The first Elise was -introduced- in 1995, but it's the 1996 model.

[edit] Predecessor

The proper predecessor to the Elise is not the Lotus 7, but the Lotus Elan (the non-Isuzu motored one). The Elan was more similar in shape, was a convertible (the 7 has no real top), and the Elan (even the non-Isuzu one) was produced by Lotus far more recently than the 7. Just looking at the 3 cars, it's obvious the proper relationship. Bollinger 18:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Price?

stupid price

I added the 42990 figure that was at the lotus cars site.

[edit] Austin Rover Group ECV3/Lotus Elise link

What amazes me about this article is that it fails to acknowledge the work that Rover produced, specifically Spen King, which led up to the concepion of the Lotus Elise chassis. One must realise that Rover were creating a lightweight chassis to work in unison with it's K-series power plant in order to come up with a high economy concept vehicle. The chassis itself could be adapted to suit any light vehicle role as was necessary.

Secondly, one must note that at Lotus there was a lot of kitchen sink engineering involved with their version of the K-series block. Problems were being engineered into the unit. As noted by one employee at Powertrain, Lotus never contacted them at all. The problems that Rover suffered with earlier K-series units were fixed throughout the engine's life. One example is the front engine hydro-mount, which cause slight imbalance of the engine whilst cornering.. This was fixed in the earlier Rover 200/400 cars in the early 90's!!! - Yet right up to the last K-series Elises, they were still using them!!

Check out this link for the the truths and myths about the K-series block, and in particular to the Lotus VHPD engine.

K-Series Engine - King K

There are overtones to your posting that whiff slightly, so please don't let the main article which maintains the Wikipedia neutral point of view become yet another sewer arguing the toss about King K.

The King K article and many of the theories presented in it, particularly their "originality", their engineering integrity and the sources quoted there or since original publication have been debunked by all and sundry.

So whoever you are "193.60.133.205" stop trying to stir things up here because you have been banned from elsewhere, it's not big and it's not clever.

Please show credible evidence. Secondly, if the re-engineered version of the K series engine becomes a serious failure in the SAIC/NAC/MG cars, then you can dismiss my comments.. until then, I would like to see your proof. I am not stirring things up, but simply making note of the fact that the Lotus Elise is not ALL Lotus' work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.12.167 (talk) 23:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UK price?

It seems a bit silly only to have a US price for a British car. Anyone know the MRSP for the base Elise in the UK? Loganberry (Talk) 03:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Price redux

The price is missing from the article entirely, at present. Without a discussion of the price range of these vehicles, much of the context is lost. As pointed out above by Loganberry, please give in multiple currencies/markets. What's the best source to use? MrZaius^talk 20:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too informal

I don't want to spread doom and gloom over the article, but it sounds a little too informal, and a bit approving. Take a look at:

As a result, the Elise's acceleration, braking, cornering, and fuel consumption (all of which are improved by reductions in a car's weight) was nothing short of astonishing in spite of the fact that the engine put out a relatively modest 120 bhp (89 kW).

Also:

It also had more padding in the seats to the horror of purists and the relief of those with nerve endings in their bottoms.

I can't help feeling adjectives like "astonishing" are a bit much.

ManicParroT 20:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This should be rewritten in a more encyclopedic tone. Needs more/better citations too. swaq 17:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I have expanded the Infobox slightly. However, I'm thinking it might be best to have two separate Infoboxes. One for the Series 1 and a second for the Series 2. This would make expanding them in more detail easier. swaq 22:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Predecessor

I'm curious why the Lotus 7 is considered the predecessor to the Elise. Especially considering the Lotus 7 article lists the Caterham 7 as its successor. It would seem to me that the 1990's Elan was the Elise's predecessor. Does anyone have sources that address this topic? swaq 15:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, the Lotus Elan infobox lists the Elise as its successor. swaq 16:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed this, since one of the sources says "At the Frankfurt Motor Show in September 1995, Lotus unveiled a lightweight two-seat roadster to replace the ageing M100 Elan." swaq 16:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Then your source quite frankly stinks :) The Elise was NEVER EVER, not in a million years ever a replacement for the M100 Elan. It might conceivably been a replacement for the Type 26/36/45 Elan, or, as most, including those who worked on design and development of the car at Lotus view it as, a spiritual successor to the Seven. BTW the source saying the M100 Elan was ageing in 1996 is a bit of a joke, because prior to the Elise introduction it was the most modern vehicle that Lotus produced, seven years old at this point and two years since production ceased - compared to 20 years old for the Esprit and 22 years (and four years ceased production) for the Excel (based on the introduction date of the Elite/Eclat) M100 (talk) 16:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not "my" source, it was one that the page already referenced. I welcome more/better sources. The M100 Elan would seem to me to be the most immediate predecessor, though I recognize that there are significant differences, most notably that the Elan is front-engine/front wheel drive and the Elise is mid-engine/rear wheel drive. For the record I have nothing against the Elan. :) swaq 19:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)