Talk:Lord William Bentinck

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The entry

• Cavendish-Bentinck, William Henry, (1738-1809), Prime Minister

on List of people by name: Cas-Caz#Cav redirects here, but conflicts as to both the dates & resume. What gives?
--Jerzy•t 16:06, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

It's referring to William Cavendish-Bentinck, 3rd Duke of Portland.
Proteus (Talk) 19:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I've removed the link - Portland should be alphabetized under P, for Portland.
john k 06:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you both for a much quicker and clearer response than i dared hope for. I'll read both articles & set up two more entries besides P for him, under C and B, on the logic that the LoPbN tree is a navigation tool (especially and maybe even primarily one for people with delusions about names, to get them to the bios & the truth), and not a guide to the most correct names of people. (That "authority" role that belongs to their bios, where the wrinkles and pitfalls can be laid out in detail). I will take your combined assessment as my guide, and label the C and B entries, in comments, as mistaken but retained for accessiblity. And if i understand (before consulting the articles further than Kate's Tool lets me peek), it sounds like

• William Cavendish-Bentinck, 3rd Duke of Portland and
• Lord William Bentinck

are well named articles, and i suspect

• William Henry Cavendish-Bentinck (currently a rdr to the Lord, tho the corresponding LoPbN entry described the 3rd Duke),

should become a rdr to

• William Cavendish-Bentinck (currently a Dab between the 3rd Duke and the Lord).

I assume that

• William Henry Bentinck (an otherwise unused rd-lk) may have a role, and
• William Bentinck (a four-way Dab to the Lord, 1st Earl, and 2nd & 4th Dukes) may need to include the 3rd Duke.

(It is obvious to me that i am not the best one to implement such changes, tho i'll try to remember to add one LoPbN entry for

• each rdr to a bio article, and
• each entry in a Dab.

And, when a dab is the target of rdrs, one LoPbN entry per rdr for each entry in the Dab. My guiding principle is that if an error has been made in the past (whether or not sanctified by a rdr or Dab or LoPbN entry, tho they are usually the evidence), it shows the need for an entry that will get users looking in the same wrong place to the right bio. In this case, someone thought WHC-B would mean the Lord, so LoPbN needs at least two entries under C-B, one for the Lord, and one perhaps more "proper", tho still non-ideal one, for the 3rd Duke.)

Also -- in case i haven't made enough trouble yet -- i'll note that i haven't looked at what links to either the 3rd Duke or the Lord, or to the Dabs.

--Jerzy•t 11:25, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I have deleted the definite article from before Lord William Bentinck's title. Bentinck's title was a courtesy title, something he held because he was the younger son of a duke. Courtesy titles are social conventions, not actual peerages. "The" before a lordly title is an abbreviation of "The Right Honourable" (for barons, viscounts and earls) or "The Most Honourable" (for Marquesses). As Bentinck was not a peer himself, merely the holder of a courtesy title, "The" did not apply. Cymro61 12:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)