Talk:Long song

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[edit] personal opinion

I take issue with this statement: "They are generally perceived as sad, and sometimes morose." Long-songs about love for one's homeland or animals would easily refute this opinion.

I am currently writing a master's thesis on folksongs in Inner Mongolia, so I should get around to writing a detailed article on long-song in the next few months.

In the meantime, a few sources to check for more info: Pegg, Carole. Mongolian Music, Dance, and Oral Narrative. Levin, Theodore and Valentina Süzükei. Where Rivers and Mountains Sing. New Grove Encyclopedia of Music

Murasakint 16:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oirats

Are you sure that the Oirats don't use morinhuur to accompany long-songs? Gantuya eng 10:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Traditionally they don´t use the moriin khuur. Of course the last decades something changed and also the Moriin Khuur is used but it´s not a traditional instrument for the oirat ethnics. I refer to my sentence „In Mongolia, Communist control led to the forced cultural domination of the Khalkhas, who are the largest ethnic group in the country.“ - … especially during concerts in Ulaanbaatar and official performings. A similar example are „tatlaga“, which differs very strong from the tradtional ones. Listen older records with a minimum age of 40, you will listen the ikil only or watch also old photographs. Older oirat singers will also acknowledge. Since Mongolia is a democratic country instruments in Western Mongolia became rarer and the ikil is very seldom now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.171.98.134 (talk) 09:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

Provide evidence. Did you live during Communism? Gantuya eng 09:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Are you my teacher?

First, recordings of several hundred of songs done in many years. Second, I know more than 100 singers (mostly in high age) personally. Third, large number of scientific papers in different languages.

Where is your evidence of your arguments? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.171.98.134 (talk) 09:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Concerning the accompanying instrument, I am not arguing. I just want to make it sure that morinhuur isn't used for Oirat long songs. Your above discussion leads to a perception, that the Oirats didn't use morinhuur at all. But what about the tatlaga such as "Dörvön Oiradiin Uria" etc. The Oirat tatlaga on morinhuur are exptremely beautiful. If you listen carefully to the heavy rock accompaninent (like Deep Purple or Black Sabbath), you will realise they are very similar to the Oirat tatlaga. Gantuya eng 15:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the word "traditionally". If an oirat tatlaga on morinkhuur listens beautiful for you is no argument.