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Contents 1 The article Baltic languages are under attack 2 Greetings 3 Naujininkai 4 On discussion with user "Tvarkytojas" 5 March 1968 events 6 Regarding your question 7 Blocked 24 h 8 DYK 9 Recipients of the Lithuanian National Prize 10 Sorry 11 Map review 12 House vs family Ostrogski 13 Yours 14 T-V distinction 15 Augustin Rotundus 16 Lithuanian National Prize 17 Please don't break the links 18 Romuva 19 Veldamas

[edit] The article Baltic languages are under attack

Baltic languages

[edit] Greetings

Laimingų naujųjų metų! Novickas (talk) 14:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Naujininkai

Could you please see my question at Talk:Naujininkai? - Jmabel | Talk 03:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On discussion with user "Tvarkytojas"

You might wish to consider Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive325#Persistent disruptive re-categorizing anon... --Martynas Patasius (talk) 01:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I responded at my talk page. --Martynas Patasius (talk) 00:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I have commented on the referenced entry, and created a new one on the incidents noticeboard. Tb (talk) 22:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] March 1968 events

We have an article on that subject; there is also a plethora of English sources available. I don't think that the article from GW you cited contains much useful information (it is a short interview with one of the survivors; GW itself published a much longer pieces on those events), although of course you are welcome to add it to external links or such in the article.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding your question

"And Piotrus - would you please name the archive you think all the documents "are held in the Lithuanian archives"? Please? didn't you hear about Soviet occupation and stealing of documents?" Tadeusz Piotrowski Poland's Holocaust. Page 350: Three lists have been preserved by Lietuvos TSR Centrinis Valstybnis Archyvas which the names ranks names family status and addresses of sixty nine Sonderkommando members who lived in their own homes in Wilno

Hope that helps.--Molobo (talk) 23:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked 24 h

Per the notification at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Lokyz of which you are aware, I have blocked you for twenty-four hours for incivility and personal attacks in violation of this ArbCom-imposed restriction. krimpet✽ 01:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Per the discussion at Wikipedia:AE#Lokyz, I have lifted your block, Lokyz. I hope it will at least serve as a reminder that under arbitration restriction diplomacy is very necessary, even in the often heated editing world of eastern European articles. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 03:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well Lokyz, for newest events it is clear, that your variuos comments are being collected and used "in proper times", namely then content dispute on different articles is high. Knowing the trend it is not the last such event, IMO. So be careful.M.K. (talk) 11:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC) P.S. the bot which should archive your talk page is dead, find new one.

[edit] DYK

On 31 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dubingiai massacre, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 13:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recipients of the Lithuanian National Prize

This is now tagged as a special request - I'm presuming you meant more bio articles, any in particular? Best, Novickas (talk) 13:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Did you read Operation Tempest It was a campaign made of several operations. Besides, AK already cooperated with SU regarding sabotage of railway links and on local level till 1943. --Molobo (talk) 21:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC) Besides it seems strange you disregard this large-scale campaign as evidence of cooperation with Soviets, while deleting sourced info about non-cooperation with Nazi Germany by adding source that speaks only about taking over supplies and vogue report about local unit. Why is a country wide operation not cooperation, but taking over of supplies by local unit is seen as appropriate for the lead ?--Molobo (talk) 21:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map review

Hey, can you tell me what you think about this map that I made tonight? Thanks, Renata (talk) 05:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] House vs family Ostrogski

"A dynasty, a familial descendance, for example, a royal House." From here.
It doesn`t stands that House can be only royal. "A dynasty, a familial descendance...etc" fits well to such clans like Ostrogski, or any other. I`ll gladly welcome referrence which clearly reserves term of "House" for royal familyies.
Mikołajski (talk) 02:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

here is example, the same in Deutsch wiki (if you prefere) Haus CzartoryskiMikołajski (talk) 05:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Our talk with Piotrus had nothing to do with it, besides at the times of Jogaila society was completly different, but if it goes for nobelity look at this. Szlachta (from German Geschlecht) is nothing else but Polish name for upper class (nobility) and religion not necessary had something to do with it (depends when), i`v got no doubts that by this mean Ostrogski, Radvila (most were protestant btw) or any other Lithuanian/Ruthenian influent family can be considered as a szlachta/nobility, especially if there was equality amongst nobles (well, in theory). I`m not askeing you, but reffering to examples and meaning of a "House" in this context as a synonym of family, clan etc. I only wanted to be sure that i`m not mistaken. Sorry, but that this name isn`t used to Radvila (or plenty other familyies) doesn`t proove that it`s reserved for Royal Houses.
Mikołajski (talk) 23:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Please, no need to be nervous. Lets leave alone question of monarchs nobelity. I`m not sure what you`r reffering to by "who is who?" and if you really wish me to read some sources, give me at least any direction as i did it to support my claims.Mikołajski (talk) 00:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Ufff :) Well, maybe it`s only my POV, but such things like nobility were solved by Kings/Grand Dukes, Seyms and eventually Emperors. If you thinks that`s the real disaster, i`ll say only that Seym trials about falsitication of nobility were casual element of "politica discussion", especially in XVIIIc. Nationality in present sense doesn`t fit into that conditions, 4 example Henrician Articles begins with words "We ....the nations as Polish as Lithuanian, not less from Ruthenia ¹, Prussia, Samogitia, Masovia, Livonia. Either from all another provintions and lands which to this Respublica belongs...". Culturally it wasn`t Polish, nor Lithuanian, neither Ruthenian, but some mix with foreign influences (costumes, weaponary etc). In this melting pot there was going on polonization of language and religion (rather latinization, but still) and by our present meaning of national identity we can say that every Polish speaking catholic was Polish. But 4example Mikołaj "the Black" Radvila once wrote to Sigismund II August I with PS: "Don`t show thish letter to your advisors His Majesty, becouse they`r Polish and we`r Lithuanians...", note was in Polish of course. If it goes for my opinion, every lord holding CoA was noble, but i`m not convinced if we can put szlachta, magnatery and Royal/Princely familyies to one bag. If it goes for legal side, notice that only Knyaz/Prince title was patrimonial, ofc except of surnames which belonged only to nobles.

Sorry that i`m still bothering you with this question, but it`s another example, note that every Knyaz is included, whatever if Rurikid (like Ostrogski) or Gediminas (like Chodkiewicz} descendant, but still it doesn`t mean that the "house" term reffers only to Royal/Princely lines. Regards

Mikołajski (talk) 12:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, nice to hear that words, thanks. Well, i think that all of it made etchnic confusion amongst many people, if it goes for present historiographies, there are some biased/POVed sources, but it`s nothing compared to medieval "scholars", who in most of cases were "humble servants" of thier masters. Ok, but if you mean national borders tell me 4 example where`s Lt/Bel border, or Bel/Ukr? I wish it would be so easy. I agree, French revolution and romantism, supression of Russian Empire also made our both national identityies to develop, as well as literature. But look at persons like Mickiewicz, can you tell me which nationality/ethnicy he was?? Royal no doubt, but Princely/Knyaz familyies were "by blood" also royal, only Emperor could give the princely title (like in case of Radvila). Jagiellons were also "elected", so i`m not sure if we can consider it as a typical royal house, neither as some casual szlachta. I really don`t get why to give Polish nobility so exotic meaning in comparation to rest of feudal-elitar Europe, i mean that there were differences, but rule was everywhere similar. So it doesn`t matter if we consider Ostrogski or other clans as a szlachta, they were noble-elite familyies anyway and as i said religion not necessary was related to it. If it goes for Ostrogski, i`m not sure when they adopted catholicism, or if they ever did it before Zasławscy and Wiśniowieccy inherited thier possesions. Mikołajski (talk) 00:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yours

Sveikas. The story of Lithuanian and Latvian units doing the Nazi's dirty work in Poland is a story I've been personally been told by someone from Poland (not old enough to be a witness). In the reading I've done, there's no record of Latvians (and I would suppose Lithuanians) having ever been deployed so far from the Baltic territory. I'm a bit disturbed that the reference implicating Latvians and Lithuanians is from a magazine and no author is mentioned. The question now is to bring other sources to bear if we editorially believe otherwise. I'm planning to do more work on the Holocaust but I'm only going to have that kind of time later this year. —PētersV (talk) 02:05, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Ezergailis is the only scholar I've seen who has gone back to original materials to piece together what happened not bases on popular myths...Balts eagerly slaughtering Jews before the Nazis arrived, these were false reports to Berlin for Hitler to manufacture the "Germanless" Holocaust for propaganda purposes--blame the locals for crimes against humanity, as soon as they invaded the Nazis were already "leaking" stories out through a "sympathetic" journalist in Sweden. What the scholars disregard is the reports, also by German officials, that around Kaunas they had to send a German unit out to slaughter Jews in the countryside because the Lithuanians wouldn't go (and how would this look for the Germans if the word got out?). —PētersV (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

There are some short articles which can be found online although Prof. Ezergailis no longer has his web site at Ithaca College. All his major works are in English. The key ones are on the Holocaust in Latvia and on debunking Nazi and Soviet created/propagated myths regarding the Holocaust. He also has published a volume dedicated only to documents of the occupation. I'll put together a list. —PētersV (talk) 16:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] T-V distinction

Favor: can't remember, what are the verbs for using tu and jus? Interesting, the interview with Gediminas Gelgotas, they use tu. Could go in the above article. Novickas (talk) 13:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Isn't there a verb for these usages though? As in 'we didn't tuvauti(?) each other for three years, because he was so much older than me and such a dignified person. Then one night after about 4 beers...But the next morning he jusauti? me again'. Sorry if I'm not making myself clear. I think I saw an article somewhere about how jus is getting less prevalent, especially among younger people. Novickas (talk) 14:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

What? In the sauna they use tu? Well, off to work, but this looks like an enjoyable little research project. Jums ačiū. Novickas (talk) 15:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Well of course you would use "tu" in a sauna, sitting there all naked it would be a bit silly to use the formal "jus". :-) Was just stopping in above. —PētersV (talk) 17:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for support on this case:)))--Lokyz (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, my relatives have never taken me to one in LT. Why not, I wonder. Maybe they perceive us as Appollonian rather than Dionysian. Novickas (talk) 00:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Found an interesting link here: [1] It doesn't mention Tamsta though; that sounds downright medieval, I've never heard anyone use it that I can remember. So if you can find a source for that let me know. Best, Novickas (talk) 00:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Left a message at User_talk:M.K#Source_for_name_usages that you might be interested in. Novickas (talk) 12:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

See, I was thinking we could use it [2]to help settle naming disputes, presuming of course that the participants agree that it is a good source. Altho I don't really understand the part that begins with "Senasios lietuviu kultûros veikejo asmenvardzius tekste..." (The names of historic Lithuanian persons in the text), it seems to discuss how they made their naming decisions. The index, I think, overrides some of the individual scholars' decisions; compare the Daniel Klein entry on page 34 and the Daniel Klein entry in the index (page 66). Novickas (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Augustin Rotundus

Hello.
I want to ask you if there`s no article about this, suposed to be, first Lithuanian historician, or maybe i`m spelling his name (rather nickname) incorrect? If there`s no such, i`ll start it, and if it`s possible i would want to ask you for some Lithuanian refferences (unfortunatelly i don`t know this language at all). Another question goes for Genute Kirkiene, whom i`v found researcheing Chodkiewicz family, is she reliable scholar? All i can find about her are few Belarussian, Lithuanian, and one Polish-Belarussian page. Thanks in advance. Mikołajski (talk) 20:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks alot for helpful response.89.77.100.60 (talk) 18:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lithuanian National Prize

Glad you wrote this. You don't happen to have any info on where the awards ceremony is usually held? And has the president always participated? It looks as tho Adamkus always has, but can't be sure. (One could safely say that he has often and include refs.) Also the art collective seems a little unclear - if it's awarded to an individual; has it been awarded to a group at any point? Best, Novickas (talk) 14:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Re DYK, it's a little short (its character count is currently about 1,100 - needs at least 1,500), and would need a hook. Could we do that within the 5-day limit? Novickas (talk) 22:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear...didn't find enough inspiration or sources to do this..in its stead, could I create another article or two that you would like? Novickas (talk) 23:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please don't break the links

I expect you will fix the Google Books links you broke with this edit.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Romuva

from Simon Grunau. Renata (talk) 01:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, this sounded a bit american:/ Grunau is known to be overdoing (kubilas for an instance), would you restore this with a proper referencing? Thanks.--Lokyz (talk) 01:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Veldamas

On 4 June 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Veldamas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 07:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)