Talk:Lithuanian Activist Front

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Note - Lithuanian Activist Front does not meets requirements on Wikiproject:Fascism; it never declared itself fascist, never had one single strong leader to which everyone would be loyal and was more like an underground organisation meant to liberate the country; as such, it did not have many declared political goals so it is hard to say werether e.g. any kind of censorship would be present in case LAF would have been in power for longer. Some particular members of LAF, however, held some fascist ideas (such as Kazys Škirpa, former ambassador of Lithuania to Germany; he however, despite being the founder, wasn't the "sole leader" of LAF as it is in fascist organisations usually; taht might have been due to the reason that he was in Berlin while LAF itself in Lithuania also). In Lithuanian politics of XX age first half, I guess Iron Wolf movement of Augustinas Voldemaras probably had more typically fascist things, though I am not sure there.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.190.42.88 (talk • contribs).

Huh User:Piotrus just entered a "revenge" teritory. It's a pitty, because from now on discussion wouldn't be a solution. For understanding where it did began (see [1]

let me explain my point - Piotrus is citing a Polish writer (he's not credited in the book as a researcher or bearer of some academic degree. In this cited page there is only one reference about Lithuanians (there are three otherabout Soviets) (and this one is about Lithuanian Clergy, that, AFIK - didn't participated in killing anyone - so it's Literature not a research). So Ladies and Gentelma let me ask one thing - does Piotus qat least have an idea, waht is this book about? I suppose not. here is the TOC of the book [2].

And waht do we see- that this one book is mostly interested in (sic!) jewish collaboration. Doesn't it sound a little bit antisemitic?--Lokyz 21:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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If you read link to Tadeusz Piotrowski's book, you are going to see the only mention to anti-Polish attitudes in this sentence:

There they encountered the emigre followers of former minister Kazys Škirpa, the Lithuanian deputy in Berlin known for his anti-Polish, pro-Germans orientation, as well as the followers of the former prime minister....

Yes, Kazys Škirpa is considered to be the founder of LAF, but it does not make LAF anti-Polish. You need better references. Renata 10:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

about the book. Lately I've not seen any other such biased book, that twists facts so easily. "Škirpa was known for his anti-Polish views" without any reference. And btw, did you know, that at the time of LAF organised uprisal Škirpa was arrested in Berlin? So if this is only one reference for LAF to be anti-polonic you should rethink it's usage.

About clergy - people did not run with Wehrmacht, they did run from liberating red army and an opportunity to enjoy Siberian "resorts" (as many people did before WWII). And of course this happened not because they were collaborators with Germans. Anyway this sentence about collaboration also seems rather biased and unreferenced (you should take a look int tone) - talking about All Lithuania clergy as pro-nazi should have at least some proofs, don't you think?--Lokyz 10:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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