Talk:List of rivers of Europe

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Contents 1 List????? 2 List 3 Sorting 4 Standard lists 5 Criteria for rivers in this list 5.1 Removed rivers 6 Vistula

[edit] List?????

Call me crazy, but this is not a list ... I should be able to find something on a list. I doubt anyone will ever care, but I guess I'm just pissed at the name ... I was like, "Wow, a list of rivers in Europe, that's exactly what I need!" but then, I get here, but IT IS SORTED BY OCEAN AND THEN BY COUNTRY, LIKE WHAT? That was real helpful when I came here to find what it's exact name was, which country it was in, and which body of water it flowed into ... If I knew it was in France, I would go to a list of rivers in France for heaven's sake. There'd be no reason for me to come here. I mean, if this isn't supposed to be a list, fine, but change the name. It's false advertising. Otherwise, WHY NOT JUST GO ALPHABETICALLY LIKE ANY LOGICAL PERSON WOULD DO??? If it looks like I'm shouting, that's because I am. RedNitrogen 22:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List

For now it's mainly a list of .., thus the rename. Obviously it's good to know it will be part of a larger project. You might want to include the table below the Aar article Docu

[edit] Sorting

The article says The more to the top a river's name is, the more close the river is to the sea.

Surely the order should be established according to some more deterministic and obvious method? Rivers can meander a lot, so closeness of a river to the sea can be a pretty relative thing... I'd sort the rivers that flow into other rivers by the order of their points of confluence, and the primary ones (those that flow directly into the sea) alphabetically or something like that. --Shallot 17:53, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I think the article is using a really terrible way of saying that what you say should be the case, is the case. Morwen 18:08, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Standard lists

I would like to start a discussion on what the lists of rivers of Europe and of European countries should look like. First the structure of the articles:

Right now the rivers flowing into sea are grouped by sea or ocean (possibly also lakes without outlets), and then sorted alphabetically. At Rivers of Great Britain and Rivers of Russia they are also grouped by sea/ocean, but then sorted geographically, along the coast of that sea (for instance the Channel coast west to east from Lands End to Ramsgate). I think I like that better than alphabetic order, because it also gives an idea of which other rivers are in the vicinity.

The rivers flowing into other rivers are given in orographic order, starting from the mouth of the main river. Rivers flowing into those tributaries are given directly under their distributary. For instance:

• Rhône
  • Durance
    • Verdon
  • Isère
  • Saône

River deltas can be quite complicated. Rivers that split into several branches can be treated like this:

• Dziwna
  • branch of Oder
• Oder (main branch Swina)
  • Warta
  • Neisse
• Peene
  • Tollense
  • branch of Oder
• Swina
  • branch of Oder

The location of the point of confluence of the rivers (or where the river flows into sea) should be indicated with a city or town. Rather a further off city than a nearby small town that no one will ever write an article about. The standard form now on the list is between brackets, e.g. Neva (in Saint-Petersburg).

At the end of the list there should be an alphabetical list of rivers. This makes it easier for editors to refer to a river, and to see if there's already an article about a certain river. I can imagine that it would be a huge list for all European rivers, so maybe we should only do that for country lists of rivers.

[edit] Criteria for rivers in this list

That brings me to another point: how complete do we want the list of rivers of Europe to be? It's getting pretty big, so maybe we should mention the rivers with only local significance (for example some tributaries to the Danube and Elbe, such as Zusam, Schnauder, Lockwitz) only on the list of rivers of the related country. And there are tons of articles about English and Scottish rivers, adding them would nearly double the length of the article. Markussep 21:55, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Suggestion: only rivers longer than 100 km (or very significant in another way) in this list, show shorter rivers only in the lists by country. Markussep 17:33, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In this article we can find a list with the title: "longest rivers of Europe", which is incomplete because there are listed rivers like Po, with more or less 650 Km lenght, but not Ebro/Ebre, in Iberian Peninsula, with more than 900 km lenght though it's discharge is not very big. Martí

[edit] Removed rivers

The following rivers have been removed because they were not significant enough (<100 km). Links to their articles (if existing) are available at Rivers of France, Rivers of Belgium, Rivers of Poland, Rivers of Germany, Rivers of Great Britain etc.

Atlantic Ocean, Loire basin: Yèvre, Furan River.

Baltic Sea: Reda

Baltic Sea, Oder basin: Tywa, Mysla, Ilanka, Pliszka, Biala Ladecka, Klodnica

Black Sea, Danube basin: Cierny Váh, Biely Váh, Alz, Traun (Alz), Große Vils, Kleine Vils, Glonn, Würm, Chambach, Schwarzer Regen, Weißer Regen, Zusam, Brenz, Mindel, Günz, Blau, Breitach, Trettach, Sillach, Riß, Lauchert, Breg, Brigach, Ilz, Krems 2x, Erlauf, Ager, Alm.

English Channel, north coast: Collybrooke, Burn, Wallabrooke, Lumburn, Walkham, Plym, Avon (Devon), Otter, Axe, Wey, Piddle, Cerne, Lymington, Beaulieu, Hamble, Meon, Wallington, Lavant

North Sea, Elbe basin: Jeetze, Karthane, Jäglitz, Plane, Nuthe, Wipper (Harz), Parthe, Schnauder, Göltzsch, Orla, Schwarza (Saale), Chemnitz River, Jahna, Weißeritz, Prießnitz, Lockwitz, Müglitz, Gottleuba, Kirnitzsch.

North Sea, Weser basin: Böhme, Ihme, Nette (Harz), Grane, Rhume, Söse, Oder (Harz), Sieber, Wietze, Örtze, Haune, Hörsel, Ulster River, Felda, Schmalkalde, Hasel, Schleuse.

North Sea, Rhine basin: Schipbeek, Möhne, Dhünn, Wipper, Agger, Bröl, Nister, Heller River, Ferndorfbach, Elzbach, Alf River, Lieser, Dhron, Salm (Germany), Riveris, Rauruwer, Prims, Blies, Nims, Orne River, Lorraine, Aar (Lahn), Weil, Dill, Wisper, Alsenz, Gersprenz, Aschaff, Fränkische Rezat, Schwäbische Rezat, Weiße Main, Rote Main, Rems, Queich, Sihl, Kleine Emme, Limpach, Ilfis, Landquart.

North Sea, Meuse basin: Geleenbeek, Voer, Berwinne, Warche, Hoyoux, Bocq, Molignée.

North Sea, Scheldt basin: Durme, Schijn, Kleine Nete, Aa, Wamp, Grote Nete, Wimp, Molse Nete, Laak, Maalbeek, Woluwe, Molenbeek, Neerpedebeek, Zuun, Geleytsbeek, Linkebeek, Senette, Hain, Samme, Thines, Velp, Gete, Kleine Gete, Grote Gete, Herk, Voer, IJse, Netten, Laan, Zilverbeek, Thyle, Mandel, Gaverbeek, Zwalm, Rone, Rhosne, Hogneau, Honelle, Aunelle, Grande Honelle, Petite Honelle.

Markussep

[edit] Vistula

I want to make one observation: not the Western Bug is the inflow of Narev river, but on the contrary, Narev - inflow of the Western Bug, but that falls into the Vistula. 194.190.184.254 08:44, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC) from Russia

I'm not an expert on Polish rivers, so I've looked it up in the Polish Wikipedia (I can't read Polish very well, but I understand some Russian). The part of the river between the confluence of Bug and Narew and the outlet into Vistula is called Narew, but often (I suppose czesto means often) referred to as "Bugo-Narew". The funny thing is that this Bugo-Narew is mentioned at pl:Bug (rzeka) but not at pl:Narew (rzeka). There, Narew is simply a tributary of the Vistula, and Bug a tributary of Narew. Markussep 11:25, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! --194.190.184.254 13:31, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC) (Torin)

O-ops! http://www.answers.com/topic/western-bug 194.190.184.254 13:44, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Some other sources:

• http://mega.km.ru/bes_98/encyclop.asp?Topic=topic_zap38 contradicts this: *http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9358240&query=bug&ct=
• http://www.bartleby.com/65/na/Narew.html
• http://www.bartleby.com/65/bu/BugPol.html

And German Brockhaus makes it even worse:

Suchergebnis

1. Narew der, rechter Nebenfluss der Weichsel, in Polen, 484 km, entspringt in Weißrussland, mündet nordwestlich ...

2. Narew der, Nebenfluss des Bugs, in Polen, 484 km.

I'm lost here... Markussep 14:09, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)