Talk:List of largest airlines in Oceania

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This article was nominated for deletion on October 6, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Factual accuracy 2 Alliance Airways flags 3 Should Pacific Blue have it's own entry?? 4 sparrowman's error

[edit] Factual accuracy

Problems with this article:

• It is not sourced/referenced
• Air Tahiti Nui does not operate 10 aircraft
• Norfolk Air has a single aircraft - not 10
• Tiger Airways Australia has not a single aircraft - it hasn't even started operating yet.
• What about airlines such as Skywest Airlines, Airlines PNG, National Jet Systems, etc?

As it stands now, this article violates WP:OR. --Russavia 23:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

There are {{fact}} tags on the numbers. This is because MOST of them, are not sourced. Please, discuss removing them here first, before removing the fact tags. SQL^{(Query Me!)} 00:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alliance Airways flags

Why is the flag for Alliance of the United Nations when it is based in Brisbane? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.47.188 (talk) 13:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I've amended to the Australian flag unless someone can give a good reason why it should be otherwise?? Nothing against Alliance but there is NO way they have 50 aircraft! It's about 12 or so, give or take a few. Can anyone source the actual number?MEBpilot (talk) 12:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedia page on the airline says 15, sourced to the airline's website. I think the confusion may be that the yfly mainly Fokker 50s! Harry was a white dog with black spots (talk) 15:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Should Pacific Blue have it's own entry??

Should Pac Blue have its own entry or be included under Virgin Blue... I'd say it's own because Jetstar has its own entry. MEBpilot (talk) 12:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree as the Qantas entry (I assume) includes JetConnect in New Zealand and Qantas Link in Australia. Also the Air NZ entry includes (I'm assuming again) Air NZ Link subsidaries as well as the Zeal320 subsidary. If Pacific Blue was to be broken out, then we would need to do the same with Qantas and Air NZ. Coming back to your point about JetStar my thoughts are that Qantas seems to operate JetStar as a separate brand with their own website. This is different to Qantas Mainline, JetConnect NZ and Qantas Link AU since are all operated as a joint brand. James Pole (talk) 06:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sparrowman's error

For some reason sparrowman seems intent on inflating the size of the QANTAS fleet. But the source he replaced the official government one with shows even fewer active aircraft = 129. To reach his figure of over 200 he is including stored and historical aircraft. Let's keep to the most accurate figures possible, which are the aircraft on the Australian register as operated by QANTAS, and which at this time number 134. HtD (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

There was never a error there was in fact a large discussion already about this on ^[1] please see that as it is accurate.

I don't need to go over an old discussion. This is a current issue. Please explain why the maths don't tally, as explained above. If you can't do that, please leave the entry alone. HtD (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

The discussion was that if we should count all Qantas subsidiaries as a whole as what is on the Qantas page this was also discussed on the main site. Why do I have to prove it to you anyway.Sparrowman980 (talk) 16:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

We will be taking this across to WP:AIRLINES. As to why you have to prove it to him, because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which does not allow for original research. If you are going to use a source to add information to this encyclopaedia, then they must be reliable sources (which airfleets is not), and all information must be verifiable. Additionally, articles are built on the basis of consensus and no-one owns any article. Also, it a policy of this encyclopaedia that one is supposed to be civil. All of what you will find at WP:FIVE is why you have to prove it to Htd. --Россавиа ^Диалог 18:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Wear is WP:AIRLINES I have not seen ANYTHING from them also you have failed to prove me wrong on my statements i have provided many refs were are yours? Sparrowman980 (talk) 14:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

My statement above "But the source he replaced the official government one with shows even fewer active aircraft = 129. To reach his figure of over 200 he is including stored and historical aircraft." has neither been challenged by you, nor have you provided a source that states that over 200 aircraft are on the QANTAS register. The source simply does not support you. Harry the Dog WOOF 14:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I have now referenced and sited everything and they are all correct.Sparrowman980 (talk) 15:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, now the numbers add up, although some might dispute the self-published nature of the source. Harry the Dog WOOF 15:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

This issue has now been raised at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airlines#Inflation_of_Qantas_fleet_numbers. Continue discussion there. --Россавиа ^Диалог 04:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)