Talk:List of cities in New Mexico

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[edit] Expansion

This list needs to be expanded and possiblely categorized differently. Zeimusu 01:15, 7 April 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. Removed limitation to settlements with a population higher than 3,000 (per goals of WP:WPNM). --Chikinsawsage 18:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

That comment was made back in April of 2004, when Zeimusu put 11 cities in. I took it to the present list in May of 2005. When I was making the list, I got tired after 3000, and didn't feel like going farther, there is a long list of them. But, add away...maybe set a goal, 2500, then 2000, then 1500, etc...WikiDon 19:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Great addition to the list, then, WikiDon. Fair enough, will try to incorporate other settlements that at least have an associated Wikipedia article with over 1000 (maybe even provide latest population estimates). --Chikinsawsage 19:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Idea: How about more than one table? One table with, say, 15,000 and up, a second one for 5,000 to 15,000, a third one for 2,500 to 5000, a fourth one for 1,500 to 2,500, and one for below 1,500. Might make it more manageable? Make it easier to edit? WikiDon 00:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

PS: Just for the fun of it, look at other states to see what they have:

List of cities in California

List of cities and towns in Colorado

List of cities in Florida

List of cities in Massachusetts

List of cities in Ohio

List of cities in Oregon

List of cities in Virginia

List of cities in Washington & List of cities in Washington (by population) WikiDon 00:16

Thanks for the other list examples. Looks like they all have at least an alphabetical list. As for having more than one table, it may, indeed, make it more manageable for the editor, although in my opinion the fact that we're now able to create sortable tables allows the reader to order the municipalities as they choose (alphabetically | by pop | by municipality type). If we split it up arbitrarily by population we force the reader to make population the significant detail. I can understand that you got tired trying to input all the cities, there are certainly a bunch, and I know I'd get tired myself, especially since the population estimates change year to year. I do like the two different lists for Washington, one is purely alphabetical, while the other at least has the population detail. Decisions, decisions... --Chikinsawsage 06:19, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you are right about the SORTABLES. Maybe a SORTABLE for the "By Population" one, and just a simple broken up list for this one. Did you like any of the other features in any of the others? WikiDon 06:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I had made this existing table sortable a few days ago and it works rather well. As I mentioned, I do like the alphabetized list simply to show all of the cities with no frills. So I do agree with you, have two different views/articles, one simple, the other more detailed, like Washington alphabetized & Washington by population. Think that's doable? If we ever get the one for population done (ambitious, yes!), I do also like the idea of highlight thumbnail pics in List of cities in Oregon. Makes the page less sterile. --Chikinsawsage 06:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Figured I'd add a dynamic list template due to relatively frequent population change. Maybe we can get more editors :-). --Chikinsawsage 07:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Los Alamos

I assume Los Alamos isn't listed because it's not technically a city (see entry, it's an unincorporated townsite in Los Alamos incorporated county)? Can someone correct me if I'm wrong about that? It may still make sense to list it here, as it's certainly larger than TorC (population wise). --ABQCat 20:19, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The list including CDP's satisfies my curiosity. I haven't really checked in on this page in nearly 3 years, but it's certainly a much better list now than it was then. --ABQCat 22:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm working on a complete list of all municipalities for New Mexico (as best I can). We may be seeing two Lists, one similar probably to List of cities in California as WikiDon suggested, and and a more complete population list for this page. This will include cities, towns, villages, and CDP's as well. --Chikinsawsage 22:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improved list and rename article request

I have made what I think is a rather complete list of municipalities and their counties in New Mexico modeled after List of cities in California. It is divided alphabetically and includes municipality type (City, Village, Town, CDP) but doesn't include population or incorporation date. I would like to use that new simplified list as the main list for this article and have a separate article named "List of cities in New Mexico (by population)". This provides readers with a separate, simple, user-friendly city list, as well as a contiguous population list sortable by any column. Does anyone object to me renaming this article to List of cities in New Mexico (by population) and creating a new article named List of cities in New Mexico that includes the new list? Any other thoughts? --Chikinsawsage 11:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

For reference, please see my List of cities in New Mexico test page. --Chikinsawsage 00:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Didn't realize there already was a List of cities, towns, and villages in New Mexico. I went ahead and updated that, instead, as it was an older bulleted list. --Chikinsawsage 06:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I should have said something about that other list, that is another reason, this was just "CITIES"....Oh, well, the C, T, & V looks good!!! Keep it up, and carry on. WikiDon 07:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone object to this being moved to List of cities in New Mexico (by population)? I agree that that makes more sense.

I also noticed that most other states' "by population" lists include incorporated places only, but I'm not sure that works for NM since some major communities (e.g. Los Alamos) are unincorporated. Thoughts? Camerafiend 21:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

According to WP-GP, you only add parenthetical names when the shorter name is already taken. IE: Jim Smith > Jim Smith (baseball player). Otherwise you try to keep it as short and sweet as possible. At the same time, your try to make all similar articles the same, for continuity, to make it easy on the viewer/reader. How many of the states that have a (by population)? Arizona, California, Utah, Washington are the only four? Plus, Alaska, Connecticut, Indiana, Wisconsin, have it un-parenthetical. So, that is eight states out of fifty that have it that way, and all but California probably does not need the extra list-article. So, if you go by majority rule, they way it is now is correct. If you go by WP-GP the way it is now is correct. WikiDon 22:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm just confused about this list vs. List of cities, towns, and villages in New Mexico. Pretty much the only difference is that this list includes population. That's why I thought it might make more sense to have "List of cities in New Mexico" and "List of cities in New Mexico (by population)." I think "cities, towns, and villages" is misleading because it implies that it's only a list of incorporated places, whereas it actually includes CDPs as well. Do we even need two lists? This list is already sortable, so having a separate alphabetized list seems unnecessary. Camerafiend 22:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you read above, there are so many little villages, that I didn't want to put the population in for them, and then have to maintain them, I just wanted the top 30 or so places with population, and rest of them, can stay on the other list. Get Chikinsawsage's and ABQCat input by dropping them a note to come on over here. WikiDon 22:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

So perhaps "List of cities in New Mexico (by population)" (this one) down to some arbitrary population, and then move "cities, towns, and villages" to just "cities" for the full list without populations? I just think it's confusing the way things are now. I'll go ask the others. Camerafiend 22:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Camerafiend, WikiDon, thanks for the input. My thoughts behind having two distinct lists are such that: We have one list that is simple, static, and is a comprehensive listing of all NM municipalities. Not to mention one that has the remote possibility of being a Featured List Article. :-) We have a second sortable, dynamic listing that can include population as a point of interest, but can be sorted by any column. For this second list by population, I have this ambitious idea of taking the New Mexico annual census data spreadsheet and running it through a perl script to generate the population list. (That's how I generated the List of cities, towns, and villages in New Mexico). We would only need to do this once a year for the population if we want it to be up to date with annual estimates. I do understand many edits can change it in a years time, but at least we'll have something of interest. I sometimes wonder about a Wikipedia visitor who lives in one of those really small municipalities and questions why his or her community isn't listed (so they add it, and break the arbitrary minimum anyway). The main issue see with this list is that CDP's don't appear to get annual census estimates (at least I can't find them). Like we have now, we'll continue to have population listings from the last decennial census and the latest annual estimates. Of course, I'm ok with having a limited population list, too, just thought that with an arbitrary minimum population limit (like this article had before) we might be missing a chance to make it as complete, yet as relevant as possible. Any strong opinions either way? Finally as for the renaming of the articles, I agree with renaming "...cities, towns, villages" to "List of Cities in New Mexico" and renaming this article to "List of cities in New Mexico (by population)". I'm not as familiar with the intricacies of renaming articles when ones of the new name already exist, and would welcome an appropriate change by someone who is. Looking forward to your thoughts. --Chikinsawsage 10:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)