Talk:List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction
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[edit] Maintenance
This page needs a standardized format, categorization of unsorted list items, verification of list items, and annotation of list items that are currently without any context.
It also needs stringent criteria:
- What about works that take place in apocalyptic settings, but limited to a part of the world? (e.g. Jericho (TV series))
- What about works where the apocalypse took place so long ago that civilization has entirely been rebuilt (e.g. The Wheel of Time), or where civilization simultaneously continues elsewhere (Titan A.E., Firefly (TV series))?
- Does Tetris Worlds belong? The Future Is Wild? Not even fiction, and apocalyptic scenarios are merely incidental.
- Does Armageddon (film) belong? Deep Impact (film)? The world is saved, though apocalyptic events do seem to occur and affect people on some scale. –Unint 22:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed, there needs to be some organization to the article beyond "method of destruction". Apocalyptic and Post-A should probably be separated as well. Jericho and the like are basically cozy catastrophe stories, which have their own article. Stories in which the destruction of the world or humanity is threatened but averted probably do not belong (Near-Apocalyptic fiction?) Noclevername 00:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- What about stories where the end of the world has occured in the past and humanity has reocvered, but it remains an integral part of some storylines? Star Trek is a good example of this, as the eugenics Wars and World War 3 have already occured and humanity has recovered, but they are the focal point of a number of episodes and an important part of the shows mythology. Maybe the page shold be divided in to sections which seperates stories that occur prior to apocalypse, during the apocalpyse, and sometime after, when the effects are still felt.
There are also certain things that don't clearly fit in to one category. Final Fantasy 7, for instance, features a massive meteor impacting the planet, but the meteor is summond by magic. Does this go in to the supernatural section, or asteroids? A similar problem/conundrum can be found in Stephen King's "The Stand". The initial apocalyptic event involves a pandemic of a man made variety, but what comes after involves many supernatural elements, as well as the climax of the book in when a nuclear weapon destroys a city, which itself was meant to be some kind of smybolic final battle between good and evil. --Kittynboi 18:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed Merge
I largely duplicated the work of this article in List of Nuclear Holocaust fiction, and proposed a merge into this article. However, another, possibly superior solution would be to break this article out into multiple articles for different genres, to make it easier to reference from the main articles, ie Nuclear Holocaust, World War III, etc. However, both of those examples have considerable overlap. Merging might be preferable.
Please note that there are at least ten works present in the aforelinked that are not linked here, so whoever implements the merge, if ever it is implemented, please really merge the articles, rather than simply axing the one or the other. Thanks! MrZaiustalk 01:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Some more items
These items appeared in post-holocaust, which was merged into the main article on this genre. Consider them for inclusion in the list, although many are redundant:
Other writers who have written post-holocaust books include:
- Robert Adams: The Horseclans books
- Poul Anderson: Vault of the Ages
- Martin Caidin: The Long Night
- John Christopher: The Burning Lands books
- Helen Clarkson: The Last Day: A Novel of the Day After Tomorrow
- Robert Cromie: The Crack of Doom
- Mick Farren: The Texts of Festival
- George Griffith: The Lord of Labour
- Agawa Hiroyuki: Devil's Heritage
- Malcolm Jameson: Atomic Bomb
- Fletcher Knebel: The Night of Camp David
- Harold Mead: Bright Phoenix
- Edgar Pangborn: Davy, Still I Persist in Wondering (short stories)
- Walker Percy: Love in the Ruins
- Lester del Rey: Nerves
- Kim Stanley Robinson : The Wild Shore
- Jonathan Schell: The Fate of the Earth
- S. M. Stirling: The Fifth Millennium series, the Change World series
- Warren Wagar: Terminal Visions
- Herman Wouk: The Lomokome Papers
- Philip Wylie: Tomorrow
- John Wyndham: The Chysalids
Christopher Parham (talk) 02:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] I tagged this page cleanup
I need to work on this page soon. Making it similar to List_of_United_States_foreign_interventions_since 1945, with a specific format:
Year, name, author.
I am sure there are encylopedias of post apolyptic fiction, which may help us organize this chaos. Odessaukrain 03:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] custom StarCraft campaign
The StarCraft campaign mentioned here is not in the official game. It is therefore fanfiction and should be removed.218.215.140.218 10:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Done. Remember that You too can help. MrZaiustalk 10:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Title
I propose that this article be re-titled "List of apocalypse fiction" because:
- that would be an equally descriptive but less unwieldy title; and
- it would avoid the ambiguity of calling the fiction items "apocalyptic" — rather, each is a fiction about an apocalypse.
Also, I suggest maintaining consistency in listing items by year of release.
- Nihil novi 19:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- The main article is currently Apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction, and the distinction seems to be useful. As for maintenance... If everybody who's proposed this so far could come together (including myself) surely something could be done. –Unint 00:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Duplicate Entries/Reimaginings
I don't really like the idea of removing movies based on listed books et al. If they are in a like medium, it might not be a big deal to merge them into a single entry, but that's as far as it oughta go. Wouldn't want someone looking specifically for a film or novel here to miss what they're looking for because only the novel or early film is listed. MrZaiustalk 13:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Formatting
Given the recent spate of editing in the World War III section, I thought I'd ask: Since this is the only section sorted by media right now, this is the only section where individual entries need years only. For the other sections, what should be the standard format for indicating medium? (To be consistent, it would have to be either something like "2004. The novel X" or "2004. X, a novel".)
Shouldn't we add Margaret Atwood's Oryx And Crake to the list since it deals with a world after ecological catastrophe?
[edit] Can't verify Stephen J. Davis 11.06
I have searched for information on Stephen J. Davis listed as author of 11.06 under World War III novels of 2007. I can find no information on this title and the only author named Stephen J. Davis I can find is a theological writer. Is it possible this is a reference to a book of theology about the apocalypse and therefore not relevant to apocalyptic fiction?
Can anyone else find anything?
Tullyis 23:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Resistance: F all of Man
Should Resistence: Fall of Man be added?Grayjack 03:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Grayjack
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[edit] A Couple of Issues
Hi, I'm currently writing an essay on apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction, and looking at this article I have a couple of questions:
- 'The Day of the Triffids' is listed under Alien Invasion. That's not right. The Triffids are bred by humans - the main character Bill Masen tells us this when he describes the triffids as "horrible alien things which some of us had created"
- Jose Saramago's 1995 novel 'Blindness' could go under Pandemic? While global civilization is not destroyed, it might as well be, since the infected are left to end for themselves in an environment where law and order have completely disappeared
- 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'? Earth is, after all, completely destroyed pretty early on in the book, so civilzation would have ended, too.
A response would be great. Cheers. Jjmbarton 16:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] i'm not vandalising the cybernetic revolt list, i'm just trying to help i'm a big fan of that genre....
NOTE: 90% or even more of the cybernetic revolt stories are apocalyptic or post-apocalytpic, please don't flame me i'm not vandalysing this list i'm just trying to help here, i love cybernetic revolt genre very much. and i apologise for my BAD english and the misunderstood of adding things to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.224.134.235 (talk) 02:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- I don't understand your point--if 90% of them are apocalyptic or post-apocalyptic, then go ahead and put those on the list, just don't put the other 10% which aren't (like Westworld, for example). Hypnosifl (talk) 22:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] FFVI now categorized
I put it under Ecological catastrophe, because it is in fact the statues and the magic that destroys the world (even though it was Kefka that moved them to let that happen, it was the magic that beared down onto the world and caused the plot twist). This is also the main destruction event that the player actually sees happen and will remember more, I think. 71.236.69.97 (talk) 13:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Proposal to split this article.
Following the precedent set over at List of dystopian literature, I propose that we split this article into four articles, namely: List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic literature (which would deal only with short stories, novels, etc.); List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic films; List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic TV programmes, games, and music; and List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic comics (these last two could be sorted differently, depending upon the number of items in each article, that matters not at all to me). I think this would allow for much better organization and better presentation of the information. Thoughts? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 03:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- On the other hand, Time travel in fiction is all one list, so there isn't a clear precedent here. I don't have strong feelings about this issue but my inclination would be to just leave the page as it is so the information is all in one place. Hypnosifl (talk) 15:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hidden comments
Regarding this change.
You can't tell people what to put into an article and what not to put into an article. If someone puts something into an article you don't like, move it or remove it.--Rockfang (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Quite wrong, actually. Hidden comments are an entirely appropriate method by which to discourage new or anonymous users from including inappropriate content in an article. The use of same in this article is in keeping with policy. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 23:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
