Talk:List of alternative rock artists

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	Alternative music Portal This article is part of the Alternative music WikiProject, a group of Wikipedians interested in improving the encyclopaedic coverage of articles relating to Alternative rock. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to drop by the project page and/or leave a query at the project's talk page.
NA	This page does not require a rating on the Project's quality scale.

Contents 1 Alternative or not? 2 U2 3 Yet another useless list 4 Garage rock is not alternative 5 Punk and New Wave 6 More misinformation from useless editors & the destruction of this article 7 M.I.A. 8 Wut the Hell? 9 Alternative or not alternative? 10 What's going on here? 11 And one more thing... 12 why does the list 13 red links 14 maybe a clean-up is needed? 15 The Feeling 16 Tool 17 Linkin park? 18 If Sonic Youth.. 19 HIM 20 All Music Guide 21 Would you stop doing that? 22 Linkin Park is indeed Alternative Rock 23 This page is bad

[edit] Alternative or not?

Many bands have been added to this list that are questionable. While many would almost undisputably be alternative, there are some that I have my doubts on fitting the criteria. I think it would be helpful to look over this list and try to decide if the more questionable additions should be removed or not. -- LGagnon 15:41, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Unless one considers trip-hop a subgenre of alternative rock, it's very weird to see Massive Attack here. _R_ 14:41, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Good point, though there are more in the list that are questionable. Some are from different types of rock music, and others have been mislabeled as being alternative. Those are the ones that I'm really concerned about. -- LGagnon 21:28, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

Generally I think you are doing a pretty good job of editing what is & isn't alternative rock, everyone would agree Joy Division are alternative but a lot of people would not consider Tori Amos to be the same. So I guess it would have to come down to mass consensus/broad interpretation on what is & isn't.

I seriously don't think, after much consideration, that Joy Division belongs on this list. The band was firmly punk/post-punk and broke up in 1980. Therefore, they really have no direct connection to what would become alternative rock, unlike post-punk contemporaries The Cure, the Banshee, Echo & the Bunnymen, and so on, who we able to develop throughout the 80's. However, I added New Order to this list a while back, and they certainly belong here. WesleyDodds 10:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I would like to make it clear on the main page that the word 'alternative' should not imply 'underground', so there's no need to worry about a very successful alternative rock band being listed. As long as it isn't standard ROCK, but comes under some other subgenre of 'rock' (therefore making it an alternative to the basic, standard, 'rock', i.e. successful punk-rock bands are no less 'alternative' than underground punk-rock bands. It is the fact that they are important to their own subgenre of rock that should qualify their listing. Bethgranter 15:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with LGagnon alot of bands need to be moved from the list. Mark321123 13:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

To add to this, why are bands such as Fallout Boy and Greenday on this list? They are clearly more towards punk than anything, more specifically pop punk.

How about Linkin Park? After the release of their new album "Minutes To Midnight" their sound has changed to a more alternative sound so why not add them specifying that after "Minutes To Midnight" they have a more alternative sound.

No. Who says (aside from the band, which is not a reliable source) that they are alt-rock right now? That sounds like original research. WesleyDodds 06:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

WESLEYDODDS! It's not original research, it's just so obvious that most people don't really feel they need to list a source because sources are every freaking where. AND WHAT?!?!?! If the band isn't a source, than what the HECK IS? Your opinion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] U2

I'm not so sure U2 belongs on this list. Can anyone varify that they do? -- LGagnon 21:14, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

The fact you are even debating if U2 should be on this list worries me.

Oasis & Offspring do NOT belong on this list either, these two bands are top 40 mainstream rock, they are the virtual personifaction of the top 40 genre If they are going to remain on this list we might as well add Phil Collins, Spin Doctors, Creed, Live etc.

And please explain why Devo & New Order were removed & these two bands(above) were returned to the list. -- 203.13.126.19

You know, there really hasn't been any attempt to give a strict definition of what bands belong on this list and which don't. Some people do consider Oasis & Offspring alternative, even though they don't belong on the list. And people keep on adding bands that, IMO, don't belong and don't fit a strict definition of alternative. Maybe we should decide on such a definition? -- LGagnon 04:01, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't any band which has its own wiki on wikipedia and either lists alternative rock in its genre section OR lists genres which are in turn listed as subgenres of alternative rock on the alternative rock wiki, be listed? Couldn't this provide a clear cut decision? (Since only notable bands are allowed wikis anyway, and whatever genre they belong to is discussed on their particular band wiki pages).Bethgranter 15:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yet another useless list

Without defining criteria for "alternative", this list is beyond useless. I sympathise with LGagnon above, struggling to decide whether U2 are or are not "alternative". U2 definitely arose out of the indie scene in the UK, and their music is not wholly conventional rock, but how much more mainstream than U2 can you get. I flicked through it and I thought, a/ this list is a bit on the short side!, b/ where are Joy Division, Black Flag, Big Black, the Gurge, the Go-Betweens, Mogwai, Godspeed YBE, etc etc etc, c/ Toad the Wet Sprocket? Hootie and the Blowfish? What are they the alternative to exactly? Rug trophies?! Hello? And who is going to look up a list of alt bands to track down articles? I could understand if it were tacked on to a history of... article but as it stands, just another absolutely useless list.Dr Zen 07:45, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This list isn't useless. True, it needs improvement, but it does help find articles on artists in the genre, as well as suppliment the article on the genre. Maybe you don't need it, but others might. And yes, we do have a "history of..."-like article, but that is too big to add this to it. As for what's missing, you can go ahead and add them. -- LGagnon 08:22, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

You're joking. a/ There are far too many and b/ I'm not interested in fighting over who is or is not alternative (I note that you cut Adam and the Ants -- unquestionably alternative, have you ever listened to Dirk Wears White Sox? and exactly how many bands do you know of that dress up in pirate costumes and claim to be highwaymen? And how are massive attack out and Bjork in?) and c/ I'd rather work on the content than the metanonsense like this that attaches itself to it. Dr Zen 08:32, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The whole genre of "Alternative" is about as useless as "World Music": a collection of artists that don't fit in any other category. What do artists like Bjork, Nirvana, Soul Couging, They Might Be Giants & Sigur Ros have in common? Why should they all be lumped together in the same genre? Mike3k 21:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Alternative rock is essentially any rock music form that finds its origin in punk rock. Thus, this can be a useful list with a defined genre. Of course, some artists that don't fit that definition have been considered alt, but that was due to foolish marketing rather than actual merit. Keep in mind, the mainstream music industry marketed anything out of the oridinary as alt rock during the 1990s. Thus, some people who don't belong here will be here even when they are not alternative. -- LGagnon 21:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

All American Rejects are as mainstream as it gets. Someone needs to clean this shit up. Gatesofawesome! 15:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Just because a band is mainstream doesn't mean they aren't alternative rock. Ignore the connotations of the word "alternative": above all else this is a music genre classification. I mean, R.E.M., The Cure, and Nirvana all had Top Ten hits after spending years in the underground. WesleyDodds 08:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Garage rock is not alternative

People keep on adding garage rock revival bands to this article when they do not belong here. Let's take this into account before we add The Hives, The White Stripes, The Strokes, or any other garage rock revival acts in here again. -- LGagnon 19:09, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

I agree, although these bands maybe alternative as well as Garage, Garage is a more appropriate category for these bands & describes their style better than just alternative. Khanada July 15, 2005

It depends. Garage rock revival bands may be simply that: garage rock revival bands. But bands that establish their careers in the indie underground scene and have definite roots in alternative rock styles and artists (such as the Strokes and White Stripes) do belong here, or at least in a list of indie rock artists. WesleyDodds 01:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Anyone ever think that Garage could just be like sub genre of Alternative? Or is it just a sub of rock?

It's a subgenre of rock in general. It's been around since the 1960s. WesleyDodds 00:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Punk and New Wave

User:69.170.186.201 just added a bunch of punk and new wave bands to the list. Should we keep these, or do they belong in their own list? Many of these don't seem to fit what would normally be called "alternative". -- LGagnon 01:53, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Let me ask you, do you think some groups can be on two lists? I don't see why not. User talk:Khanada 02:00 August 04, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think they should be listed here, so good, even though they are not listed as subgenres of alternative rock on the main 'alternative rock' wiki page (but I think that's wrong too!)Bethgranter 16:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

It's a case-by-case basis. A band like the The Cure can be classified as numerous genres, and many punk bands in America evolved into an alternative rock sound. But punk and New Wave don't belong as subgenres of alternative; it's a classification sometimes used when discussing the topic of alternative by itself, but such a classification ignores the differences and relations between the genres, and sources that consider the entire history of rock music don't group them together. Because, really, New Wave by and large has nothing to do with alternative rock; they developed along different paths. Not to mention there's just as many people who if they're going to group it all together are more prone to call everything "punk" instead of "alternative". WesleyDodds 04:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More misinformation from useless editors & the destruction of this article

This article is being destroyed. It's now one of those articles that proves Larry Sanger right when he said that Wikipedia sucks because expertise is not respected. So many bands that never deserved the title of alternative or ever came close to being alternative are constantly added to this list. When I started this list, real alternative bands were added with consideration for whether or not they do count taken when adding them. Now, people who don't know anything about music are ruining this article. It's becoming a lost cause because of the rampant lack of education and expertise (and in some cases, common sense) amongst the editors of Wikipedia on the subject matter. As it stands, the article doesn't provide what it is supposed to. It has become the embodiment of Wikipedia's lack of knowledgable editors, and unwillingness to respect them. -- LGagnon 03:00, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Please clarify with examples WesleyDodds 06:46, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I see what you're talking about now. But that's more an issue of people screwing around rather than a deliberation on whether or not certain artists listed belong in the Alternative genre. I did re-add the disputed accuracy tag when I did a revert in order to clean up some of the vandalism you missed, but I really don't think it's necessary to tag this page as such. The issue is people acting like jerks. If people keep vandalising the page, I'll just fix it right back, no problem. WesleyDodds 06:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] M.I.A.

Alternative rock? Or not?

I'd say yes, but only tentatively. WesleyDodds 10:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

M.I.A. as alternative rock? Are you nuts? Geez, if M.I.A. is alternative rock then Linkin Park obviously alternative rock. You're nuts for saying yes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wut the Hell?

Why are the All American Rejects on this page?

Well, they're not a punk band, so they belong here. WesleyDodds 04:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

just b/c the 'rejects have more hits than most alternative bands doesn't mean they're not alternative, too.

[edit] Alternative or not alternative?

Would System of a Down, Good Charlotte, Avril Lavigne, or Avenged Sevenfold count as alternative rockers? And if any of them, which ones?--Mr. Brain 04:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

SoaD is nu-metal. Avril is pop. Can't remember what the other 2 sound like, but as far as I remember I wouldn't count them either. -- LGagnon 15:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the following artists can be in the list: Linkin Park, Keane, maybe Korn, Avril Lavigne, and The Fray. -- Angel of the Will 13:42, 23 February 2007 (GMT-3)

Of those listed, only Keane and the Fray belong. WesleyDodds 21:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I second WesleyDodds's opinion, since Linkin Park and Korn are nu metal, Bendulum 21:34, 05 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's going on here?

Why didn't anyone put Type O Negative or Porcupine Tree on the list? If Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Tool, R.E.M. and Smashing Pumpkins can make the list, then I can add Porcupine Tree & Type O Negative.--Mr. Brain 17:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't knwo who Porcupine Tree are. Type O Negative seem to fit pretty well under heavy metal. WesleyDodds 21:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Porcupine Tree is an alternative/progressive hard rock band from England. If you haven't already, buy their latest album [[Deadwing]]. It's a great album.--Mr. Brain 02:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] And one more thing...

And one more thing. Type O Negative may be metal, but they're also alternative metal. If they're gothic or alternative, they can't be deleted. And Phish is alternative rock, too. Thank you--Mr. Brain 16:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not so sure this "alternative metal" is actually an alt rock genre. From what I've seen of bands that get this odd label, they are always much more metal than alt. I'm removing them again until you can give a better justification. -- LGagnon 21:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

How about this. The Cure & Siouxsie & the Banshees are considered gothic rock. Robert Smith & Siouxsie to my understanding have gothic-like vocals. Gothic is a subordinate of alternative rock. Now Type O Negative is said to be a gothic rock band. Peter Steele employs gothic/vampire vocals. That means they're also an alternative band. Therefore, they belong in this category. Is this a better explanation?--Mr. Brain 20:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Vocals aside (which are not the only reason The Cure & Siouxsie get the gothic label), the rest of the music is metal. Maybe they have "gothic" looks, but so does Slayer by some accounts. -- LGagnon 22:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, fine, I don't have a problem with Type O Negative not being on the list. But why do you have Lacuna Coil on it? I mean, think about it. They're more metal than alternative. So they shouldn't be on the list.--Mr. Brain 15:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Response- Type O Negative is not goth rock, they are goth metal. Goth metal takes more influence from death-doom metal than goth rock. So therefore, they by no means are an alternative rock band. As for Lacuna Coil, I guess they probably should not be there either.

[edit] why does the list

include almost all conceivable mainstream rock performer of today? are blink 182 and tori amos "alternative rock"? by definition, almost a majority of the performers on here are the antitheis of "alternative"- the commercial, mainstream artists. if the term carries so little weight, how about we just delete the damn thing or only inlcude bands that exemplify old school alternative rock. 67.172.61.222 23:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

When using "alternative" as a genre term ever since the 1990s, the mainstream presence of an artist has largely been irrelevant. Otherwise we'd be taking half the bands off this list, and seminal ones to the genre, too. And keep in mind bands that a lot of these bands broke through from the underground into the mainstream and managed to stick around (one notable example being R.E.M.) WesleyDodds 00:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I second that. Many of these bands started out underground, and the fact that they achieved notoriety doesn't change what genre of music they played. Onikage725

Well I plan on getting rid of a major part of the bands in this list (because they are NOT alternative rock) unless some of the opposing people participate in talks and we come to a conclusion. The list is outrageous. The first to go will be 311, AFI, and Tori Amos. Mark321123 13:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Uh, no. All three of those belong. WesleyDodds 01:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] red links

there is a great deal of red links of questionable unknown bands on the list that may be spam

"The Electric Jets, Evansblue , The Motion Sick , Nerveline , New Season, Oscar Trim, P, Perpetua , Platinum Head, Ribbed 4 Her Pleasure, Royal Fanclub, Splinter, Th' Faith Healers, Unstep, Until Escape, Zach Hoel and the Flawless Victories, and Zephoria."

can anyone account for these bands?

--Pantophobia 06:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The only one I can account for is Th' Faith Healers, which I added and have been meaning to make an article for. They put out a collection of their Peel Sessions about a year ago, and you can find them listed on Allmusic. WesleyDodds 22:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

BUCKETHEAD BUCKETHEAD BUCKETHEAD BUCKETHEAD

I just removed several redlinks. If I made a mistake and removed a notable band that just happens not to have an article yet, let me know. The first step to including a notable band on this list should be (ideally) to create an article for them if one doesn't exist. janejellyroll 02:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] maybe a clean-up is needed?

This is a list of alt rock bands, but I see in the list also bands from other genres like post rock, dark-wave, trip hop, indie, even metal and gothic... we should clean up the list. What do you think? Connacht 17:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Goth, post-rock and "indie" are alternative rock genres. WesleyDodds 17:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Feeling

Shouldn't The Feeling be in this list too? I think they're kinda alternative...

[edit] Tool

Someone keeps adding Tool to the list, which is ridiculous. They are considered by some to be an Alternative Metal band, but they are the furthest thing from Alternative Rock. People with no understanding of musical genres should not be editing the list. Osmodius 07:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Response- Faith No More is on the list, so I don't see why we can't add more alt-metal bands.

[edit] Linkin park?

The article Linkin Park states in its genres that Linkin Park is Alternative Rock, Nu-metal, Rapcore.

Even the article Alternative Rock states Linkin Park as one of Alternative Rock Bands!

So why not include them? --~KnowledgeHegemony~ 18:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I've added them to the list, if anyone has a problem with that they can take it to the Linkin Park discussion page, as their primary genre is listed there as Alternative Rock. Osmodius 10:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

WesleyDodds keeps on taking Linkin Park off the list, that's why they're never on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] If Sonic Youth..

If Sonic Youth are on there, should Ciccone Youth not be put on there as well? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ALCUS36 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] HIM

Lately I have been adding HIM to the page but someone seems to always delete them. I honestly do not see how HIM would not qualify as alternative rock as they take much influence from many of the goth rock bands that appear on this page. So yeah, I hope you will read this and think about it before deleting HIM again.

[edit] All Music Guide

Seeing as you seem to control this page, Wesley, I really am getting tired of war-ing with you. So I'll make my peace and say one last time that you can't trust one website for every musical band in existance. When it comes to the fans, they tend to know the music best. I agree that industrial rock is a form of alternative rock reason for why I left Nine Inch Nails unaltered.

Einstürzende Neubauten however is industrial music which is experimental and sometimes even electronic.
Ministry is an industrial metal, still not industrial rock.
Nitzer Ebb? An EBM band, why were they ever considered rock when EBM is industrial dance music?

If you keep re-adding these bands then what stops you from adding SPK, Coil, Test. Dept, KMFDM etc.? Every musical band is alternative rock, when you put it that way. (Skinnydrifter (talk) 12:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC))

First off, "Seeing as you seem to control this page" is not a comment that assumes good faith. Ignoring that, All Music is one of the more reliable music sources. Given the difficulty in defining industrial music as a whole (I've read many sources that make no distinction between "industrial music" and "industrial rock"), I'm willing to conceed Einstürzende Neubauten and Nitzer Ebb to an extent (although Einstürzende Neubauten's later material does get into more standard rock formats, but whatever . . .) but Ministry is consistenly referred to specifically as an alternative rock band. WesleyDodds (talk) 12:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and yeah, KMFDM would belong here. WesleyDodds (talk) 12:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

KMFDM would actually fit here, so that was a bad example. Apologies for the rudeness. (Skinnydrifter (talk) 12:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Would you stop doing that?

Before you badmouth me for wanting to add Tool to this list, let me just point something out. Faith No More, Jane's Addiction, Rage Against the Machine, Finger Eleven, and Breaking Benjamin are on this list of alternative rock bands. Also, someone said it was OK to add a few more alt-metal bands(not all of them, but some true alternative bands). In other words, would you please stop deleting Tool from this list? Thank you. Mr. Brain (talk) 04:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Tool aren't alt-rock. This has been brought up both here and on the Tool talk page. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Linkin Park is indeed Alternative Rock

"Hybrid Theory" may not be an alternative rock album, but it certainly does have some alternative sounding songs, such as Pushing Me Away, My December, and Runaway. "Meteora" might not be an alternative rock album either, but they do have some songs of that genre: Somewhere I Belong, Easier To Run, Faint, Breaking The Habit, and Numb. And to say that Chester Bennington screams in a few songs, doesn't make them Screamo. And to say the Mike Shinoda raps, doesn't make them Hip Hop. The Red Hot Chili Peppers singer raps in a few of his songs, they're not Nu Metal, now are they? Then, Linkin Park's "Minutes To Midnight" is Alternative Rock. Now who in their logical mind can argue that Linkin Park is not alternative rock? I will check this article every single day to make sure that they are considered Alternative Rock. Why? Because I'm right, and Wikipedia users need to make the best logical choices. If you keep on taking down Linkin Park, I will take down the Red Hot Chili Peppers, or any other band that has rapping style vocals and electric guitars. Unless there is clear evidence, in the definition of what an Alternative Rock band "isn't", then I will keep on making sure Linkin Park is on the list. Thank you so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Linkin Park aren't alternative rock. They're a nu metal band. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me. A few Hybrid Theory songs sound alternative. A few Meteora songs sound alternative. AND, Minutes to Midnight is Alternative rock. Hmmm..., I will keep on adding Linkin Park to the list. So, have fun keeping up with me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

"A few songs sound alternative". According to who? What do you mean by "sound alternative"? WesleyDodds (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Lets see... Runaway, In The End, Pushing Me Away, My December, Somewhere I Belong, Easier To Run, Breaking The Habit, Numb, and the entire Album of Minutes To Midnight. And when I say "sound"... that means it's hard to put a genre on any particular hybrid theory or meteora song because Linkin Park sort of invented their own sound. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

And Crawling is also considered an Alternative Rock song, which won a grammy for best rock song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

None of your assertations are based on reliable, verifiable sources. And it's irrelevant that one of their songs won a Grammy for best rock song. This topic has come up before elsewhere; Linkin Park isn't alternative rock. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes they are dude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 03:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Portishead is primarily trip hop, but they are on this list. Nine Inch Nails are primarily Industrial Rock, but they are on the list. Alien Ant Farm isn't even considered Alternative Rock, but they are on the list. The Arctic Monkeys are post-punk revival and indie rock, but they are on the list. Blink 182 is punk, but they are on this list. Bloc Party is indie rock and post-punk revival. LINKIN PARK, however, is primarily an Alternative Rock band (look it up on their page), and you're saying that they're NOT Alternative Rock? That doesn't make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Professionally speaking, if anyone has a problem with Linkin Park being considered Alternative Rock, then you should probably go to the Linkin Park discussion page. JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk) 04:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Linkin Park is not primarily an alternative rock band; they are a nu metal band. The genres of other bands on this list is irrelevant to the discussion (by the way those are all alt-rock bands; the only ones I would question are Portishead and Blink-182). Unless you back up your argument with sources, Linkin Park doesn't belong here. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Here is a source. "Linkin Park". click on it, and look at their genre... their genre IS ALTERNATIVE ROCK as their primary genre. However, Linkin Park being Alternative Rock barely needs a source, it's almost common sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia can't use itself as a source. And no, it's not common sense. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Even though Linkin Park is famous for making radio-friendly Nu Metal songs, doesn't make them stuck in that genre. They are a hybrid band of many genres including: Alternative Rock, Alternative Metal, Rap Rock, Rap Metal, Rapcore, Nu Metal, Synth Rock and Alternative Hip Hop. But to say that they're not Alternative Rock would be to say that they're not Nu Metal. In fact, they've had just as many or more alternative rock songs than nu metal songs. So, please stop taking them off the list. Discuss this topic at the Linkin Park discussion page. Maybe on the way to the discussion page you'll see that they're an alternative rock band... hmmm... then maybe I will stop having to add them to this list... I guess I just want wikipedia to be accurate, not bias. If anything, you should have a source. And you wont find one, because Alternative Rock is listed as a genre at Linkin Parks wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

OK... Chew on this source for a while... http://www.myspace.com/linkinpark

Linkin Park is officially Alternative Rock because the OFFICIAL Linkin Park myspace labels it as Alternative Rock (not) Nu Metal. Come on dude, you can't argue with an OFFICIAL Linkin Park page. It's not like a fan made it, it's the real deal. So, if you disagree with me, you're also disagreeing with Linkin Park themselves. You thinking they're not Alternative Rock is your OPINION. Me thinking they are Alternative Rock is indeed my OPINION. But their opinion is trump over your opinion. Therefor, whether or not you disagree with me (and Linkin Park) it doesn't alter the FACT that they make alternative rock music. It doesn't alter the fact that they label themselves (and I have solid evidence) as Alternative Rock. But wait.... there's more.. Like in the movies the villian always comes back to life for one more scare, so I'm gonna nip this argument in the butt.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/ama/index?pn=nominees

This shows Linkin Park as a Alternative Rock Band.... Well, now you're arguing against well... professionals. Oh, and here's another source...

http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/linkinpark/minutestomidnight

Ok... I have definitely won this argument in boastful glory. Stand down and step aside. I will add Linkin Park to this list, and they should stay there. It doesn't matter what your OPINION is, as it doesn't matter what my opinion is either.. I have 3 sources, 1 from Linkin Park themselves, 1 from the american music awards, and 1 from professional music critics.JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Myspace.com is not a reliable source; and the band itself isn't either when it comes to categorising genre. An award nominee listing is also unreliable, because it's in the interest of the award committee to expand the criteria of "alternative rock" to fit as many bands as possible. Its unclear how the Metacritic source's genre was arrived at, and anyway, "alternative, rock" is not the same as "alternative rock". CloudNine (talk) 09:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

You guys are so bias, no offense. The fact of the matter is... You don't want Linkin Park on your list (for whatever reason). Stop being so opinionated. It's like saying Jay-Z doesn't make Hip Hop music. It'sl ike saying Michael Jordan was never a basketball player unless I found a reliable source... But, come on. You guys are so weird about this topic, and this debate is my source to back up that factual statement. From now on, I'm going to start taking down bands that are not any more alternative rock as Linkin Park.. You guys need some sources to back up your opinions because I've got an ocean full of info to back up LP being Alt. Rock. I bet you anything you wont find evidence thats as reliable as my evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCStreetSoldier1234 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The thing, it would be pretty easy to find a reliable source that said Michael Jordan played basketball (try the New York Times). Can I see this ocean-full of information? The sources you've supplied so far aren't too reliable. The onus is on you to prove Linkin Park is alternative rock, since you're the one that wants to include the band. CloudNine (talk) 00:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

WTF, they are alternative rock, especially Miutes To Midnight. Myspace is reliable because the band cites themselves. Oh, and look at All Music Guide http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:jxfoxqykld6e —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.135.215 (talk) 23:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

First Hybryd Theory has nothing to do with alternative rock. The genre on that album is rap metal, nu metal and alternative metal but the songs Easier to Run and Breaking the Habit is alternative rock. Minutes to Midnight is alternative rock with exception of Given Up, No More Sorrow, Bleed It Out and No Roads Left and allmusic guide and mp3.com is a reliable source. --Alive Would? Sun (talk) 12:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This page is bad

All it does is make people argue. Also, please tell me a rock band that Nickelback is alternative to. 124.169.253.131 (talk) 19:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)