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[edit] Article Bloat/Overflow
It was nice to get this list of Green Lanterns out of the Green Lantern article, but it seems that the same sort of bloat is popping up here.
It is a "List of Green Lanterns", not a place to backport all Green Lantern articles into. --sigmafactor 07:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'd really rather have a list than a bunch of one-para articles about minor Green Lanterns that boil down to "Foo appeared in comic Bar #X, as part of a scene that included many Green Lanterns." I'm not sure whether to set the merge/don't merge line at G'nort or Abin Sur; what I do know is that G'nort's article was way, way too detailed for what amounts to a backup character.
- I still need to rewrite (for brevity and relevance) the John Stewart and Guy Gardner sections of this list; I've been procrastinating because I don't know a heck of a lot about Stewart or Gardner, and am kind of hoping someone else takes care of that. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- Erk. Please don't delete the G'nort section; I'm busy working on the article right now. I have no intention of leaving it that long permanently. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- Was my synopsis unsatisfactory?
Please also refer to the note I left on your talk page.
Also, I think the begining of your rewrite introduces a POV. G'nort isn't entirely stupid or bumbling.--sigmafactor 07:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- Was my synopsis unsatisfactory?
- I really think this article should be one or two sentences describing a character along with the main article link. If you start merging every minor GL into here, it becomes so long that no one will ever read it all. --waffle iron 07:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Can there be a consensus on the length of each character blurb? Remember, this is supposed to be a list. As it stands, this page fits very few of the requirements and standards set via Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) --sigmafactor 07:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, I originally made this as a list of minor Green Lanterns, not including Scott/Jordan/Rayner, and I was pondering bumping even Stewart and Gardner back into Green Lantern. I was planning to merge most of the "Foo appeared in a group secene in Bar #X" GLs here.
I don't really see the value of a comprehensive list of every single Green Lantern Corps member; the cat already does that job nicely. I was thinking this would be a "List of minor characters in foo", much like similar lists for Star Wars, LOTR, and Harry Potter. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- But each of these characters have their own detailed histories and have appeared in more than five issues (often times spanning multiple GL books and volumes). Compressing them all here will eventually create a super-article that will be almost unmanagable and at the same time divert almost every single GL wikilink to one place.
Wouldn't it be better to take the time to bring each character page up to a higher level instead of deconstructing 20? --sigmafactor 08:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)- If you feel you can expand on a merged character, just break the character out again and leave a one-para summary behind. Personally, I'm sort of doubtful that most of these can be expanded without bloat; take a look at how much I was able to squeeze out of G'nort (into List of Green Lanterns#G'nort) without losing any facts other than an unsourced claim that he's a fan favorite and the fact that he once scared away some feline-humanoid bank robbers.
- I just don't feel it's valuable to spoil every single plot point of Emerald Twilight, Rann-Thanagar War, GLC:Recharge, Moore's run on Green Lantern, etc. Most of these characters need a few-sentence description, a first-appearance and creator credit, and a couple of paragraphs briefly summarizing the events in which they are involved. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- Most other comic character articles "spoil" their entire backstory. What is the statue of limitations on calling 5-10 year old character history a spoiler? If the same litmus test was applied to most comic articles on wikipedia, each one would be a couple sentences -- even some of the larger DC characters.
There are loads of creator interviews online that would provide ample material to expand GL characters articles beyond straight historical content. --sigmafactor 08:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)- Empire Strikes Back has spoiler tags. Thunderball has spoiler tags. Casablanca (film) has spoiler tags. There isn't a statue of limitations on spoilers on Wikipedia.
- A look at Captain Marvel (DC Comics) (a featured article) may be enlightening. Very, very little time is spent describing every single appearance of Captain Marvel; instead, his role in major stories is described briefly and his role in minor stories (or incidental appearances in larger stories) is mentioned in broad strokes (for example, "...a typical use for Captain Marvel guest appearances in current comics is as a backup for Superman when a flight-enabled, super-strong being is needed, especially in situations where Superman's special weaknesses (which Captain Marvel does not share) are involved.")
- I feel very strongly that description of fiction on Wikipedia should favor overview and summary over minute detail. There's a tendency to create fansite-style entries for every single character, major or minor, resulting in articles useful only to readers already steeped in the particular fictional setting's mythos.
- Now, I'm not going to go overboard. Again, Kilowog, Tomar Re, and such aren't going to be merged; I'm planning to merge the one-shot, joke, and group-shot GLs to this list. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:40, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- Most other comic character articles "spoil" their entire backstory. What is the statue of limitations on calling 5-10 year old character history a spoiler? If the same litmus test was applied to most comic articles on wikipedia, each one would be a couple sentences -- even some of the larger DC characters.
There are loads of creator interviews online that would provide ample material to expand GL characters articles beyond straight historical content. --sigmafactor 08:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- If you can do that, go right ahead and unmerge and do so. In the meantime, I feel lists written with an eye to encyclopedic overview instead of fansite-style bringing-the-reader-up-to-speed-up-to-and-including-the-last-issue detailed plot descriptions are more appropriate to Wikipedia. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- The heart of this conversation we are having is over the future of many, many articles. Wouldn't it be easier to get a consensus from a wide sampling of Comic Wikipedians so that there only is one overhaul; as opposed to an overhaul followed by another overhaul? I know that we both have similar goals about readability and keeping articles funtional, but disagree on implimentation.
Sorry to cut this short for now, but I have to get to sleep. Would it also be possible to keep all future discussion on the Comics project page in order to get my suggested consensus? --sigmafactor 08:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)- Right now, I just want to limit this debate to Green Lanterns, since there are a lot of them, a lot of neglected stubby articles, and an easy merge target. I was hoping I could more or less fly this one under the radar so I could finish this miniproject, then take the complete, superior final result to the Comics project as a whole in order to rally people into merging lots of similar minor characters (hello, every single alternate-universe character ever) into similar lists. Sort of anti-Wiki, I know, but in an IAR get-the-place-looking-good kind of way.
- That said, can I bring you in on my Eeeeeevil Plot? You clearly know more about the Green Lanterns than I do (I'm more of a Silver Age kind of guy), and can help me out separating the face-in-the-crowd or one-joke characters from the recurring-and-actually-important-just-not-headlining characters. If the merge doesn't work out, oh well, it can always be split apart again, and plenty of cleanup and update will get done in the meantime anyway.
- Trust me, overhauling and overhauling again generally gets more done than the convincing-someone-not-to-overhaul-and-the-articles-still-get-forgotten alternative. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- Well I prefered having the green lanterns separated out. Its simpler then having to scroll down, and feels nicely organized. G'nort's article size was appropriate, if a fan wants to create something for G'nort, then by all means they should. But you arbitrarily merging all the documents into one, particularly if they are more then a paragraph is, i feel, inappropriate. If you wanted to clean up, then you should have done it on the individual lanterns pages, merge them all into one like this. However in your favour, I'm not going to take the trouble to merge or demerge all these pieces. Since you were willing to put in the time, all the more power to you. I just think you are defeating the purpose of wikipedia dictionary where people can get information quickly on any topic and not have to scroll down anywhere and not have to look thru a large merged list of information. Instant and precise gratification thats what I'm looking for. Sunburst 15:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- Redirects do take you directly to the list, the table of contents is only one more click, and I intend to replace the links to individual Green Lanterns with anchor links (like this: [[List of Green Lanterns#G'nort|G'nort]]) when the merge is done. It's just that the cleanup and merge is more pressing in the meantime. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well I prefered having the green lanterns separated out. Its simpler then having to scroll down, and feels nicely organized. G'nort's article size was appropriate, if a fan wants to create something for G'nort, then by all means they should. But you arbitrarily merging all the documents into one, particularly if they are more then a paragraph is, i feel, inappropriate. If you wanted to clean up, then you should have done it on the individual lanterns pages, merge them all into one like this. However in your favour, I'm not going to take the trouble to merge or demerge all these pieces. Since you were willing to put in the time, all the more power to you. I just think you are defeating the purpose of wikipedia dictionary where people can get information quickly on any topic and not have to scroll down anywhere and not have to look thru a large merged list of information. Instant and precise gratification thats what I'm looking for. Sunburst 15:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- The heart of this conversation we are having is over the future of many, many articles. Wouldn't it be easier to get a consensus from a wide sampling of Comic Wikipedians so that there only is one overhaul; as opposed to an overhaul followed by another overhaul? I know that we both have similar goals about readability and keeping articles funtional, but disagree on implimentation.
[edit] Jack T. Chance
I hope my addition of Jack T. Chance isn't adding to the bloat, but I know he's a minor fan favorite; also, I've heard rumor that he's going to come back with the other "kidnapped" GLs in Issue #11. Coyote42 08:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- Not at all. Ideally, I'd like to make this list as complete as possible. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Organization
Hmm. It looks like "Alien Green Lanterns" is going to be the bulk of this article. I'm pondering how (or if!) to break it up; most of them fit into rough groups. There's the Alan Moore "Tales of the GLC" Lanterns, the TotGLC Apokolips invasion Lanterns, the Recharge Lanterns, and so on. The only reason I don't break it up is because several of thee groups would only have 2 or 3 GLC members in them, and there would be an inevitable and somewhat ugly "Everyone else" header.
Any thoughts? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] GL Navbox
It is my contention that the GL Navbox is to character specific in most instances and is thus used as a catch-all for all GLs and for this list of GL's. The fact is: 1.) there is already a listing of notable GL's within this article, 2.) any inclusions of notable adversaries should be listed if consensus feel this is appropriate, although this being a "List of GL" article it seems to not correlate, and 3.) notable stories featuring GLs are referred to throughout the article itself, and any additional storylines should be included within the text itself, IMHO. NetK 06:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, the value of a navbox is for quick-reference navigation; often it will duplicate links appearing in the text. WP:NAV explains the utility of such boxes. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Also, the template in question is being put to a vote as to whether it should continue to exist, and thus far the voting consensus, such as it has been, is to remove it. Thoughts? NetK 06:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- This template isn't on TFD. Where is this vote taking place? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] G'nort
Not sure if it is me but thre a degree of repetition in the G'nort section? [1] I know it can be tricky expanding someone else's work but similar facts seem to pop up a couple of times - might just be me though so... (Emperor 19:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Ji Long
Ji Long was a Green Lantern too, yet he has not been included until now, and the series he appeared in was back in 2001. I looked the series up and it is not in any "Elseworlds" continuity, but is actually in the canon continuity, so therefore he should be added to this list. (User:Captain N 8:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC))
- Okay. Go ahead. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Robert Taggett
Can someone provide a source for this "Robert Taggett" character? There seems to be no information until a few months ago, and then it consists of: 1. This article. 2. A couple of threads on comicboards.com, with some posters gushing about the story and others skeptical. 3. A shorter thread at comicbloc.com asking for more info about the comicboards thread. 4. A supposed action figure that doesn't appear on any official DC sources. Someone's also been spamming my blog with comments about him, and they've ignored my request for a source citation, instead posting links to a picture of an action figure which looks suspiciously like a repainted "DC: New Frontier" Hal Jordan figure.
As best as I can tell, some fan has invented the character and is trying to convince people that he is actually canon.--Kelson 22:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ekron
It's been recently revealed that Ekron, of Emerald Eye fame, was a Green Lantern (and that the eye itself is a power ring). I don't really know how to really start his section, as the Emerald Head has appeared only twice, but he probably should be mentioned. Webrunner 21:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New Lanterns
As I'm new and I have no idea yet how to modify a post without pissing everyone off, can someone please set up the page to highlite the three new lanterns Soranik Natu, Vath Sarn, and Isamot Kol that are the new focus along with Guy Gardner and Kilowog?
[edit] G'nort (GL: Collateral Damage)
... okay, am I the only person here that thinks this G'nort cannot be the same G'nort mentioned in this page? Could this be another character with the same name? I looked at the current page and noticed that there is no mention of this miniseries, so I don't know if I should add him or not. --Kitsune Sniper / David Silva 23:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Charley Vicker"
There won't Italic textbeItalic textan article on him until his name is spelled correctly. His moniker is Italic textCharlie VickersItalic text. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.22.119 (talk) 00:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] The Lost Lanterns
Shouldn't someone combine Boddika, Laira, etc's files into a "Lost Lanterns" section? They are collevtivly called that now (See GL #21). Bluecatcinema 09:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] G'Nort
I came here hoping to proclaim a desire for G'Nort to have an individual article (heck, the guy already -has- an alternate universe version) but I read the rest of the debate and am officially a bit overwhelmed.
But I'm sticking to my guns. G'Nort should have his own article.Lots42 23:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rot Lop Fan
I created a new page for Rot Lop Fan but now is gone please help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.90.102 (talk) 19:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Someone probably thought he wasn't noteable enough to have his own page. Not all GLs deserve one at this point in time. Who knows, maybe Rot Lop will team up with Kyle for six issues and do noteable stuff. Or maybe he'll be eaten. Lots42 (talk) 10:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Flodo Span
I built a page on Flodo, but Wikipedia won't let me put up an image of him! How do I do that? 69.139.235.160 (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bzzd
I believe Bzzd needs his own page. Retroqqq (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] John Stewart
HE is in the wrong place or is it my idea.
I ll fix this immediatelly. Retroqqq (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- He and Gardner should be right after Jordan with Rayner listed fourth. --68.81.70.65 (talk) 13:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Leezle Pon
Leezle Pon created by Alan Moore. Just found out but anyway there arent many information about her to support her own page. Retroqqq (talk) 16:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Charley Vickers & Sector 2
Wasn't Charley Vickers a Green Lantern from Earth? BTW it was revealed in issue #20 of the current Blue Beetle series that the Reach (ancient enemies of the Guardians) hail from Sector 2. Qward is Sector 1 and Oa is Sector 0. The reason I point out the Reach's sector is that Hannu is listed as being from sector 2, but according to the pact between the Reach and Guardians, wouldn't sector 2 be off limits? --68.81.70.65 (talk) 17:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
