Talk:Liberation of Paris

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Contents 1 propaganda & historical distorsion 2 "Decisive French victory" eh? Interesting" 3 german vandalism 4 a must see video 5 german liers 6 Poor English 7 Warsaw Uprising? 8 Mills at Pantin 9 German Surrender Section

[edit] propaganda & historical distorsion

I've corrected the infobox removing the US infantry division that was in the combatant list while they came after the battle and paraded with their french allies once the capital was free. it was the french themselves who freed paris. the Allies freed france not paris. as a result the US are still regarded as the liberator and the french are overlooked, this is false version of history and pure propaganda. looking in the german article what can we see? the "US vs the German" and "American victory"... my... this is a bad joke about rampant propaganda. Paris By Night 01:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

corrected the WWII article, there was a mere undetailed line about the event... and added the famous US parade here, where it belongs. Paris By Night 01:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Decisive French victory" eh? Interesting"

yes pal, just like in the Hundred Years War, the Siege of Yorktown and the Battle of Austerlitz, and they kicked asses in the Suez Crisis as well but since you have been educated watching the Simpsons show you might have missed it! :) Paris By Night 02:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

oh by the way, with 3200 cute germans killed, this article should deserve a bit more attention and details, since this is about the overlooked BATTLE OF PARIS ! why not becoming a good boy and working on it instead of making vandalism and posting stupid comments in the edit history?! sorry to ruin the post-2004 myth... :D Paris By Night 02:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

This article is pure French propaganda. Yeah, Leclerc's division was the first into the city, but it simply handed the (undeserved) honor because Eisenhower was a gentleman. And it mostly just walked in. One division can't "liberate" an entire city of millions of people.

Tell me, Paris by Night, which German divisions did Leclerc defeat? Name them. How many tanks did they have? How much artillery? Where were its trenches? Which neighborhoods were destroyed in house to house fighting?

Paris was liberated at the Falais Gap, where the German army in France was destroyed, period. A quarter million German soldiers were killed in a few days. After that, the Germans simply abandoned the city to a remnant tasked with blowing it up.

There was no "Battle of Paris" outside of the brave but unwise rising of the local population. This article is nonsense. (By the way, the French kicked asses at Suez? Yeah, as if the Israelis hadn't already defeated the Egyptians completely. What next, the French won at Sedan? And stop the personal and national insults. Did anyone ever suggest that you learned your history at the the de Gaulle-Chirac School of Backstabbing?)Scott Adler 00:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I must agree with Scott Adler. The Free French could have risen up earlier - you why not? Cos they needed the Allies (AKA Britain, America & Canada) to do all the work! As Scott said, you do not liberate a city with one division.Tourskin 03:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] german vandalism

Nonsense. Vandalism reverted

• beware there is someone here, Kurt Leyman, who reverted my edits (here and in the german article) to false statement claiming the US fought instead of the french while they only paraded on august 29, and the infobox picture is leclerc's free french armored division. cross of lorraine and france flags can be seen in the picture's full size version. the vehicles were US-built of course (just like in the First Indochina War) hence the "white star", but it was FRENCH division, not US. the US have nothing to do with this battle, sorry to ruin the myth. for your information the free french are not in the combatant list in the overlord and the battle of bir hakem does not exist in the german wiki... twice the pride, double the fall! Paris By Night 18:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] a must see video

• Battle for Paris: August 16-27, Documentary shot by the French Resistance propaganda, September 1, 1944 Paris By Night 12:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] german liers

the german have removed the correction edits in their article, the correct image captions, and the video showing the actual fight was removed as "spam", they tried by all means to hide the truth which is the french fought alone the german, beat them, and that the american came after the battle and have nothing to do with THIS battle. they are so ashamed that they are lying. this is funny. Paris By Night 17:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It is more like packing the stuff up and leaving the city without taking the french up on nasty house to house fighting. I might be misinformed, but as far as i knew there was no real 'battle' but only an uprising that prompted the german forces which were still left in the city to abonded it. Btw, why wasn't Paris blown up? I heard something about a Führerbefehl along that lines... -Deutscher Lügner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.135.251.253 (talk) 01:10, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poor English

Large parts of this are in poor English, clearly written by someone whose first language isn't English. It needs a bit of editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.208.98 (talk) 20:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warsaw Uprising?

Isn't that a bit over the top? The Polish resistance and Warsaw uprising is an affair totally different to the french resistance and the Batte of Paris. Do we have any polish here who would like to comment? I got the impression that as far as the Polish are concerned they regard the french resistance much more critical than usual espically in comparison to their own exploits (a look at the statistics of destroyed trains makes clear where this comes from). Somewun —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.176.96.25 (talk) 12:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mills at Pantin

How do these two entries together? The same day in Pantin, a barge filled with mines exploded and destroyed the Great Windmills.[9] On 19 August he ordered the destruction of the Pantin great windmills in order to starve the population.[19] You cannot have an accident and a planned destruction at the same time, can you? - Somewun

[edit] German Surrender Section

The section on the German surrender is very unclear. There is one part that talks of both the memoirs of Dietrich von Choltitz and ______blank. I'm assuming that the 1966 film is meant to go there. It also talks about the argument over Chotitz's role in "saving" Paris, but neglects to mention his refusal to burn the city. If I new more about the subject I would edit it myself, but I do not. So, if someone has the time/knowledge, please clear it up.OlinOfTheHillPeople (talk) 03:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)