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[edit] Lampeter
What about Lampeter in the UK "Specialising in the liberal arts, Lampeter has strong academic traditions in teaching and research dating from 1822" (from site) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.236.209 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] UK
"the term "liberal arts" is very little used in any contemporary context in the UK" - not so. Was this article written entirely by an American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.198.58.26 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
- Hello,
- the author's claim that the term 'liberal arts' is rarely found in the UK is entirely mistaken. In fact, the UK is one of the countries where the diversity of degrees (such as the 'joint honours' and, in particular, the 'combined honours' degrees) testifies to an educational experience that promotes all-rounded education in addition to, I would say (at the expense of, other would say) of one-sided specialisation. It said that this kind of learning was introduced from the States, where it is certainly very popular and somewhat more liberal. In any case, liberal arts education is still more respected than scientific or vocational training in the UK, although I don't know for how long. Thanks, happy to receive comments, if any. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PanosUK (talk • contribs) 20:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC) (diff)
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- PanosUK, what's with erasing everyone else's comments on this discussion page? And then not signing your own comment? To sign a comment, type an em-dash (a long dash), then type four tildas. — Walloon 22:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
While there are a few UK institutions that use the term, most do not. A check on the websites of Russell Group and 1994 Group members' websites shows that the term "Liberal arts" is not how they generally refer to themselves or the education they offer. The article doesn't say that UK education isn't liberal, just that the term "liberal arts" isn't common. --SiobhanHansa 22:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm British, and graduated in what an American would call liberal arts. That term is very rarely used here. UCAS does not use it as a keyword [1]. There are very few degrees of that name [2] --Duncan 16:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Regarded by many
| Authenticity check: A search reveals that the phrase "regarded by many" appears in the text. Is the phrase a symptom of a dubious statement? Could a source be quoted instead? Perhaps the "many" could be identified? Might text be edited to more genuinely reflect specific facts? Wetman 01:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC) |
The article says,
Today, the liberal arts are often promoted as "liberal" in a later Enlightenment sense, as liberating of the mind, removing prejudices and unjustified assumptions.
As the Authenticity check says above, that claim is not supported by factual evidence. The use of "liberal arts" by higher educational institutions continues the original definition, not the "Enlightenment" definition of the claim. The "by many" needs to be supported by fact before it is included as part of an encyclopedia article. —Walloon 15:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- Liberal arts mean nothing. How can a student study discipline without knowing what he is studying. I think this is one of the biggest bullshits that US educational systems can offer. Do not go for it. This is a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.55.92 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment from LibArt:
- Well, Liberal Arts as it is known in the Netherlands gives students a broad education. You can study psychology, mathematics and life sciences at the same time. Admittedly you will lose some of the depth of a normal study, but I personally enjoy the breadth of the study. It gives students more time to decide on which area they want to focus, which can be done by doing a masters in e.g. history or nanoscience, depending of course on your major. I wonder if factual knowledge is still the most important goal of education. To me it seems that skills like essay writing, presenting and critical reflection have become more and more important. You can argue whether this is a development that should be encouraged, but I think that a liberal arts education teaches these skills better than a normal study. This is at least the conclusion I draw when looking at most of my old high-school class mates, who generally speaking spend less hours on study than I do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.96 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Septem Artes Liberales
In the Artes Liberales article, I am using the wikipedia commons image of the medieval Herrad of Landsberg illustration of the Septem Artes Liberales from the Hortus Deliciarum. Is it possible that an image somewhat more contemporaneous with modern Liberal Arts could be found for the Liberal Arts page? Athaenara (talk) 22:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Do you think the illustration does not fit this article or are you simply concerned about having the same image on both articles? And do you have any suggestions for a better free image? --Siobhan Hansa 23:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Specify
This page used to specify what a liberal degree was not. As in: "not specializing in occupational, scientific, or artistic studies." This was extremely helpful information. I have referred back to the page several times because of it. It should be added back in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.142.252.174 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge proposal
I have proposed that the article Artes Liberales be merged into Liberal arts. The former appears to consist entirely of information already present in the latter article. Granted, the information is presented somewhat differently in Artes Liberales; perhaps we want to apply this presentation to the article Liberal arts after the merge.
--Dave314159 17:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Agree. --Duncan 16:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- Agree but work AL content into LA. Johnbod 16:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Agree Alex 13:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- Agree Or completley erase the Artes Liberales article.Ian 11:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merged
I've merged the two pages and have begun a barebones history section - though it needs to be expanded and developed. I've listed a few articles in the "Further Reading" section which may be of some help. -Classicfilms 19:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Criticism of Liberal Arts Education
Shouldn't there be a section with a critical view of modern U.S. liberal arts education? 201.6.131.3 11:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
