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[edit] Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was mouldy. Use a new move request if one is needed; this can't represent a current consensus, and the intervening period may help us gain a better perspective as to what extent the official name has become the common name. Dekimasuよ! 07:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- Letchworth → Letchworth Garden City — Letchworth Garden City is the official name for the town, whilst Letchworth is an informal abbreviation. Currently the formal name links to the informal name; I'd expect the opposite. Ratarsed 13:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
- Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
- Support. I wouldn't suggest it otherwise... Ratarsed 14:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Support, assuming "Letchworth Garden City" is the official name.See below. David Kernow 15:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC), updated 09:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)- Support as this implies "Letchworth Garden City" is the correct name. --Pak21 15:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, this suggested move is contrary to policy. We locate articles at the most common name (except in a few rare examples), not the "correct" name. Everyone knows it as "Letchworth", not LGC. James F. (talk) 11:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm wondering more and more whether this policy is wise, as it can propogate or maintain inaccuracy – not a good idea, I hope all would agree, for an encyclopa/edia. Huzzah for redirects. Regards, David Kernow 12:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- I know the town as Letchworth Garden City, but I do know people do abbreviate -- if you were to list towns by what "everyone konws it as", then King's Lynn would be listed as Lynn, Ipswich as Ippo, Wivenhoe as Wiv. To me, it would seem better to list by the proper name with redirects from common use names. Ratarsed 17:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- James has a point re Wikipedia favo/u/ring commonly-used names (with redirects from formally-correct names) rather than vice versa, as I recall reading this somewhere. (Thought I'd be able to locate it quickly, but must've missed it.) Hence I've withdrawn my vote. Regards, David Kernow 09:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." -- Wikipedia:Naming conventions, "nutshell" expression. James F. (talk) 06:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- There's a nutshell version of that nutshell version somewhere; something along the lines of "Prefer common or everyday names over official or technically correct ones, as the latter may redirect to the former." Maybe I saw it on a page other than one on policy or guidelines. Regards, David 17:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." -- Wikipedia:Naming conventions, "nutshell" expression. James F. (talk) 06:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles del Río de Porciúncula. Enough said. The Wednesday Island 15:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Support. "Letchworth" was the official name of the town until 2003 when it "officially" changed its name to "Letchworth Garden City" as part of the centenary celebrations, and following a lengthy local campaign. Considering the town's historical importance as the First Garden City its quite an important addition. Johnlbirch 21:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- Support. As above, I live there and we call it that, it's important to overcome the name that people who don't live there call it. The example of Los Angeles above is different, I've never been but I doubt most poeple that live there know what the old name was. grayme
[edit] Discussion
- Forgot to mention; the page Letchworth, does state that Letchworth Garden City is the official name...
- Add any additional comments
===As per discussion, see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(common_names), indeed use the commom name, so no issue here. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 20:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think the above move request closed around 1 and a half years ago so all things afterwards are now void. But then nobody has closed the discussion... Simply south (talk) 21:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
[edit] Re. the section on local government, especially in regard to the UDC's old crest
This section of the article seems to be increasingly used as a mean of one side in this ongoing dispute to express their opinion or viewpoint. This is inappropriate in any reference source - either both sides of the argument should be refelected, or the matter should be avoided until it is resolved. Johnlbirch (talk) 20:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] To-Morrow
The title of the 1898 book is given on the Ebenezer Howard page as "To-Morrow: A Peaceful Path to Real Reform" Grmf 14:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Are you saying we should include a hyphen on this page, then? The Wednesday Island 15:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes please Grmf 15:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Twin towns
The wikipedia entry "List of twin towns in the United Kingdom" lists three Letchworth twin towns: "Chagny, France; Kristiansand, Norway; Wissen, Germany" I think they are also listed on the signs when you enter the town and there are street names like "Chagny Close" and "Kristiansand Way" in Letchworth. Please add these to the Letchworth entry.
[edit] Famous Residents
Not sure if this is the best place to do this but I'd like to query the the Famous residents list. I have read the wikipedia pages for Lenny Henry, Dawn French, and Una Stubbs but I can't see the connection. As a former resident myself (born in Hitchin, attended St Francis' College) it would be lovely to boast of these links but can they be corroborated?
On the flip side, one of St Francis' most famous "old girls" is Jennie Bond, the Royal Correspondent for the BBC. Can she be added to the list please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.247.242 (talk • contribs)
- I believe Lenny Henry & Dawn French used to live in Paddock Close, but you're right, really these need citations -- Ratarsed 11:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Una Stubbs is definately a decendent of Ebenezer Howard - though whether she lived in the town I do not know - but it seems quite plausible. On the other hand I can find no link anywhere confirming that Henry or French have any connection with the town. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.25.106.209 (talk • contribs).
[edit] The coat of arms
I think we need to be careful about WP:NPOV in describing the current spat over the coat of arms. I have deleted some text which was verging on, but wasn't quite, POV; we should probably replace it with something a little more neutral.
Here are some news links about the matter, for people who are interested in helping improve the article: [1] [2]
I'd like to point out that:
1. despite what a number of people in the Comet's letters page appear to think, the question of who should have rights to the LUDC's arms is not a matter of opinion: it is a matter of heraldic law.
2. Nobody "owns" the LUDC's arms any more, because the LUDC does not exist. Some people are saying that the Corporation had rights to the LUDC arms. I find this difficult to believe, but in any case the Corporation also no longer exists. The Foundation are on record as saying that they have no right to the LUDC arms; even if the Corporation had the right to the arms, it wasn't transferred to the Foundation.
3. What none of the news coverage has mentioned, and what the previous version of this article also failed to note, is that there are two coats of arms here: the Heritage Foundation have their own coat of arms, based on the LUDC's, but not identical to it. See Stuart Kenny's quote here (although he thinks it's called a "crest"):
- The Corporation's crest ceased to exist in 1995 when the Corporation was wound-up. It was felt, subsequently, that the Heritage Foundation should have its own crest. Not least, this was in response to Letchworthians who wanted to purchase souvenirs with a crest, from our then Letchworth Shop. We went through the appropriate channels and worked closely with the College of Arms to create a new crest, albeit based on the original one.
These are the arms which the Foundation gave the golf club permission to use, and which you can see on items for sale in the Letchworth Shop.
Here are the two coats for comparison:
You see that both the crest and the shield differ. The crest has a golden owl and leaves, instead of proper; the shield has cinquefoils instead of roses.
The Foundation can quite properly tell the Town Council not to use the Foundation's arms, but the LUDC arms are none of their business.
I will think about ways to work these into the article over the next few days, but if anyone wants to discuss or argue with anything I've said here, feel free, and if anyone wants to put this stuff into the article, feel free as well, of course. Marnanel 22:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
