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Contents 1 Literal translation 2 Sun's theory 3 party affiliations 4 Unicameral? 5 fist-fights? 6 Validity 7 2008 update required

[edit] Literal translation

Is there an official English term for the title? The current title looks more like Chinglish. User:kt2

Actually Legislative Yuan is the English official name for the body.

Sounds like Chinese-English mixture... Is that used among English speakers? :( --FallingInLoveWithPitoc 06:36, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The media usually calls it "Taiwan's/Taiwanese parliament" or "Taiwan's/Taiwanese legislature" just as you will almost never see "Republic of China" show up in a news article. --Jiang

if the "Legislative Yuan" is not a common usage, why use that as the title? --FallingInLoveWithPitoc 06:50, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It's common usage in Chinese, I believe. The English media usage is just wrong. --Jiang

Yuan's translation was changed from "branch" to "court" [1]. Would the latter translation apply to the other Yuans (Executive, Judicial,...) as well? --Menchi 09:09, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Yes; I think Sun Yat-sen meant for 'Yuan' to be 'court', similar to a court of consultation in monarchies such as the 'cortes' in Spain. --Kaihsu Tai 10:28, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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The article said the 2nd LY was elected in 1992. However, the 1st ended on Dec 31, 1991. It doesnt make sense that there was a period of time with no LY. What's the case here? --Jiang 01:01, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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The article says: 'The legislative elections in 2002 produced a situation in which neither the pan-blue coalition nor the pan-green coalition has a majority in the legislature, making the passage of bills often dependent on the votes of a few defectors and independents.' But according to Adam Carr the election was in December 2001, and produced a slight majority for pan-blue. --Kaihsu Tai 17:15, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Be bold! --Jiang

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[edit] Sun's theory

"this is technically incorrect in Sun Yat-sen's political theory (see below), but practically the Legislative Yuan is the only standing parliamentary organ of that state since the late 1990s, and represents itself as such when working with parliamentary organs in other countries."

The definition of "parliament" is not limited to Westminister systems. Therefore, the use of the word "parliament" is only misleading, but not technically incorrect.

And "see below" to what? I can't find that that is referring to. --Jiang

There is a description of Sun Yat-sen's political theory below. --Kaihsu Tai 10:28, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

You mean "San-min Chu-i (political theory of Sun Yat-sen)"? If so, we should've just said that in the first reference. --Menchi 10:39, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] party affiliations

I would like to provide the political composition of the members (taking data from zh), but I don't know what 台湾吾党 is in English. --Jiang

Taiwan Number One Party (see List of political parties in Taiwan). :) --θαλαμηγός (talk) 14:40, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)

Yep, got that. But where do these numbers come from? They don't agree with the 2001 election numbers. Where is there info on people getting replaced? --Jiang 22:12, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

At the official website's database, you can select the current members by party and eye-ball the #. Or you can count one-by-one using the complete list from ROC's Who's Who (valid as of 2002). Those are official lists. Stats from elsewhere may be counted by drunkards. Not trustworthy.

The official database in English seems to be only on the 4th Legislature. Whereas the 3rd, 4th, and 5th legislators' bios are all available in the Chinese versions. --Menchi 23:32, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think those listed on the website are indeed members of the 5th LY. The url suggest so and people like Sisy Chen are listed.

Our figures show that compared with the 2001 election results, TSU lost 1, KMT list 2, independents gained 2, and TW No. 1 gained 1 since 20001. We should ask whoever inserted the info into the Chinese WP on where he got these figures. --Jiang 23:46, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Formulax did. English works with him. He's overseas. Try zh:User talk:Formulax. He'll respond within a day or two. --Menchi 23:50, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I got all the figures from the official website. It is different from the election results because one member from TSU was fired and became independent, and two guys quit from KMT. One of them joined 台湾吾党.--Formulax 07:26, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Unicameral?

I believe it is unicameral? If so, this should be mentioned in the first paragraph. Kent Wang 17:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] fist-fights?

Isn't this the infamous parliament where all the fistfights erupt on a regular basis? Something should be written about that as well if that is the case. Gryffindor 19:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I came here for the same thing. And it wasn't just fistfights, they even used microphone holders and chairs. --Howard the Duck 16:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello there. The link to Legislative violence is this way. _dk 23:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Nicely done, with matching pic. lol --Howard the Duck 01:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually this article needs a link to that article and a short mention as well. --Howard the Duck 03:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Validity

The article says: "On July 20, 2007, the Legislative Yuan passed the Lobbying Act, and Taiwan becomes the third country to pass the act." Just because Taiwan can pass acts does not make it a country. Choson4eva 10:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

• I removed the latter part of that sentence on different grounds -- there's no reason to believe that Taiwan passed the same Lobbying Act as any other country did, as the sentence implied. --Metropolitan90 04:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 update required

The article needs some work to reflect the new system, I think. I've tried to update it as best I can (along with provisional election results), but I'm sure it will need someone to add more material and get rid of the old, irrelevant details. John Smith's (talk) 15:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)