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Contents 1 Sega Internal Studios & Video Games 2 Welcome to Wikipedia! 3 commons - unidentified flowers from Indonesia 4 Darkthrone 5 Thank you 6 Random Smile! 7 Bessey system 8 Lavatera arborea synonymy 9 WikiProject Red Link Recovery 10 prod of U.S.A.) 11 Credit name on links to malva pages? 12 Alyogyne 13 Loch Ness map 14 Pinnule 15 Scotophilus 16 Skimmia ref 17 Nepeta x/X/× faassenii :) 18 Cellana strigilis bollonsi 19 Meso Philippines 20 Baraminology and Heliantheae 21 Malvaceae 22 Claypole 23 Malvales of Australia 24 Re:flower photographs 25 Red taxon names 26 CAM plants 27 Political divisions for where plants live 28 Black Sails 29 Argyrodendron / Heritiera

[edit] Sega Internal Studios & Video Games

This article is an elaborated version of the entertainment side of Sega where as the article you are suggesting this should be merged in with is of Sega Corporation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cube b3 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!

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[edit] commons - unidentified flowers from Indonesia

This message to reply yours in commons. Thank you, I forwarded your message to someone in wikipedia id who knows about flower. Hopefully he can provide the exact name since you already identify it. Thanks again Serenity id 05:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hah! You have 100 points, I've checked 'em and googled 'em miself. It turns out not so difficult after all, will upload some more now that I know someone can actually identify what I took blindly :p

Now, my next project is to identify their name in Bahasa Indonesia. Check on it once a while will ya! Serenity id 13:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Darkthrone

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[edit] Thank you

Thanks. :) Rhanyeia 15:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Smile!

-WarthogDemon 22:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bessey system

Hi Lavateraguy, Thank you very much for completing this. Berton 14:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lavatera arborea synonymy

Hi Lavateraguy - I note from your Lavatera arborea page that this has the synonyms Malva fastuosa Salisb. and Lavatera eriocalyx Steud. If the species is to be transferred to Malva as suggested by Ray and with M. arborea unusable, should not one of these epithets be used, rather than Ray's new name Malva dendromorpha? Or are they also both invalid or later homonyms in Malva? - Thanks, MPF 23:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Red Link Recovery

Hi. I noticed your contributions to the WikiProject Red Link Recovery. It's very nice that you help in this project. Please remember that to keep the list tidy, you have to remove suggestions that have been dealt and not just strike them. Strike links that you checked and the suggestion doesn't apply for the specific case. Friendly, Magioladitis 18:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] prod of U.S.A.)

I noticed that you proposed deletion of this redirect. I created this redirect around when I made the correction here. This redirect was created in anticipation of having anyone else make the same typo. Please see the deletion policy outlined in WP:R and let me know if you still think it should be deleted. Thanks, Lisatwo 01:48, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Credit name on links to malva pages?

Howdy, I added "malva pages" links to the External Links pages of three articles i worked on, malva, malva sylvestris, and lavatera arborea. On the latter two, I credited it as "Stewart R. Hinsley's Malva Pages: Malva sylvestris, extensive information on cultivars, subspecies" and such. I wondered if you preferred not having your name there, out of modesty or privacy or something, or if it's ok. Your name is on the website itself, and it seemed like crediting an author of a book reference, but since it's an external link the wording is totally flexible. The website is awesome by the way. :-) Best regards, -Agyle 07:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alyogyne

Thanks for the fix on that page; [1] If you are interested in the genus, have a look at this image. Cheers Cygnis insignis 18:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Loch Ness map

I have replaced the Loch Ness map. Thanks for pointing out the error and sorry for the delay in response. - P.K.Niyogi 00:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pinnule

It went to Wiktionary (pinnule). ♠PMC♠ 00:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scotophilus

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[edit] Skimmia ref

Hi Lavateraguy - from Huxley, A., ed. (1992). New RHS Dictionary of Gardening. I've added the ref. If you can improve on detail from the two floras, please do. - MPF 00:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nepeta x/X/× faassenii :)

Interesting. The question is which one should be the redirect then... for some reason that didn't pop up on the search before (though a "hotlist of missing articles" list links to Nepeta X faassenii also. I'll merge the content and redirect to the older one, but honestly I have no idea what the NC is for hybrids these days (it's been argued back and forth for at least the last 2 years).

Even more interesting: look at the original stub for the other one... looks like I actually created that stub too sometime last year ;0. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 18:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cellana strigilis bollonsi

It was a typo, I do that occasionally. Thanks for fixing it. Cheers GrahamBould (talk) 11:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meso Philippines

Hi,

I took the info box out of Meso Philippines, since that is not a genealogical family. It is merely a geographic convenience, as are so many 'branches' of Austronesian. Ethnologue and Ruhlen are not reliable sources, they're both merely hodgepodges of miscellany, much of which is of truly bad quality. (Khoisan, for example: turns out several of the languages in Ethnologue don't even exist, and they've started removing them, but still haven't fixed the horrendous classification.) Most decent refs will discuss which 'branches' of AN (such as Central Philippines) are actually thought to be valid nodes, and which are just labels of convenience to reduce the complexity of handling the family.

kwami (talk) 18:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baraminology and Heliantheae

Thanks for cleaning up a dubious reference. I found that reference when I was putting out one of those trawling nets looking for online references, and I could tell at the time that it was part of some unfamiliar school, but I obviously didn't read it too carefully. A quick look at Baraminology makes it much clearer what is going on. A fascinating subject, actually (in terms of religion and how people come to grips with new paradigms), but I agree, that paper doesn't shed much additional light on the relationships within the Asteraceae. Kingdon (talk) 17:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Malvaceae

Thanks for copyediting. That rapports in place of relationships must be fun for you! Same word in Italian (rapporti). Keep your eye on my edits! Aelwyn 16:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I supposed botany was OK because this part is a translation of Judd & al. from Italian back to English (how funny). Bye! Aelwyn (talk) 16:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Err... you're simply right (GAH, am I that dangerously idiot?). I will correct it next time, unless you prefer to to it yourself. Rosaceae may be the next. Yawn! It's getting a bit boring, all family articles need a revamping! Aelwyn (talk) 18:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Claypole

I thought that name was suspicious, but it was listed in the genera list on the Eurypterid page., and even had a species listed under it. I think it may be legit, I dunno though. I'm going to refrain from acting until I'm more certain. Abyssal leviathin (talk) 20:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I assume the "P." subgenus is "Pterygotus," I have no clue what the "A." one would be. I was just copying and pasting from the main Eurypterid article. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Abyssal leviathin (talk) 20:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was annoyed that the article was species-level anyway. Sorry, it's just that I was moving as much information on species from that list in the main article as fast as possible. Sorry. Abyssal leviathin (talk) 20:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Malvales of Australia

Cheers, I'll have a look. Hesperian 04:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:flower photographs

I doubt it is hibiscus.. although it's pentamerous, the way the petals are connected is much different. And it's difficult to tell the size of the flower from the photograph; it's only < 2 inches in diameter. Then again, I studied botany more than 7 years ago and you actually seem to be researching on Malvacea so you probably know better. I had photographed the flowers at home (in India), so yes, identification will be difficult. :-/ Thanks for the quick response. I think the blue flower belongs to Fabacea (or is it Papilionacea?). - TwoOars 13:36, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that's a very thorough explanation. And H. micranthus does look a lot similar. Now I feel stupid for second guessing you. :P If you do find out for sure what species it is and if the species has an article on wikipedia, please feel free to add it, or let me know and I will. I guess uploading the pic to commons would have been a better idea. Thanks again. :) - TwoOars 17:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Red taxon names

Thank you for the information on the red taxon wikilinks. It helped me understand that if someday someone did create an article it would make wikilinking much easier. I give you this

for thanks.

--RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 19:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CAM plants

Hey, just a quick note of thanks for improving the list of CAM plants! Much appreciated. Verisimilus T 11:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

The following table is a draft for future use at article CAM plants

Division	Class/Angiosperm group	Order	Family	Plant Type	Clade involved	Type of CAM
Lycopodiophyta	Isoetopsida	Isoetales	Isoetaceae	hydrophyte	Isoetes[1] (the sole genus of class Isoetopsida) - I. howellii (seasonally submerged), I. macrospora, I. bolanderi, I. engelmanni, I. lacustris, I. sinensis, I. storkii, I. kirkii
Pteridophyta	Polypodiopsida	Polypodiales	Polypodiaceae	epiphyte, lithophyte	CAM is recorded from Microsorium, Platycerium and Polypodium[2], Pyrrosia and Drymoglossum[3]
	Pteridopsida	Pteridales	Vittariaceae[4]	epiphyte
Cycadophyta	Cycadopsida	Cycadales	Zamiaceae		Dioon edule[5]
Pinophyta	Gnetopsida	Welwitschiales	Welwitschiaceae	xerophyte	Welwitschia mirabilis[6] (the sole species of the order Welwitschiales)
Magnoliophyta	magnoliids	Magnoliales	Piperaceae	epiphyte	Peperomia[7]
	eudicots	Caryophyllales	Plantaginaceae	hydrophyte	Littorella uniflora[1]
			Aizoaceae	xerophyte	widespread in the family; Mesembryanthemum crystallinum is a rare instance of an halophyte which displays CAM[8]
			Cactaceae	xerophyte	all cacti have obligate Crassulacean Acid Metabolism in their stems; those few cacti with leaves have C3 Metabolism in those leaves; seedlings have C3 Metabolism.
			Portulacaceae	xerophyte	recorded in approximately half of the genera (note: Portulacaceae is paraphyletic with respect to Cactaceae)[9]
			Didiereaceae	xerophyte
		Saxifragales	Crassulaceae	hydrophyte, xerophyte, lithophyte	CAM is widespread in the family
	eudicots (rosids)	Vitales	Vitaceae[10]		Cissus, Cyphostemma
		Malpighiales	Clusiaceae		Clusia[11]
			Euphorbiaceae[10]		Pedilanthus
			Passifloraceae[4]
		Geraniales	Geraniaceae		CAM is found in some succulent species of Pelargonium[12]
		Cucurbitales	Cucurbitaceae		Xerosicyos danguyi[13]
		Celastrales	Celastraceae
		Oxalidales	Oxalidaceae
		Sapindales	Sapindaceae
	eudicots (asterids)	Ericales	Ebenaceae
		Gentianales	Rubiaceae	epiphyte	Hydnophytum and Myrmecodia
			Apocynaceae		Hoya and Dischidia, Ceropegia, Stapelia, Caralluma negevensis
		Lamiales	Gesneriaceae	epiphyte	CAM was found Codonanthe crassifolia, but not in 3 other genera
			Lamiaceae		Plectranthus marrubioides
		Apiales	Apiaceae	hydrophyte	Lilaeopsis lacustris
		Asterales	Asteraceae[10]		some species of Senecio[14]
Magnoliophyta	monocots	Alismatales	Hydrocharitaceae	hydrophyte	Hydrilla[10], Vallisneria
			Alismataceae		Sagittaria
			Araceae		Zamioculcas zamiifolia is the only CAM plant in Araceae, and the only non-aquatic CAM plant in Alismatales[15]
		Poales	Bromeliaceae	epiphyte	Bromelioideae (91%), Puya (24%), Dyckia and related genera (all), Hechtia (all), Tillandsia (many)[16]
			Cyperaceae	hydrophyte	Scirpus[10], Eleocharis
		Asparagales	Orchidaceae	epiphyte
			Agavaceae[11]	xerophyte	Agave, Hesperaloe, Yucca
			Asphodelaceae[10]	xerophyte	Aloe, Gasteria and Haworthia
			Ruscaceae[10]		Sansevieria
		Commelinales	Commelinaceae		Callisia, Tradescantia, Tripogandra

List of genera of CAM plants (for verification)

Aster, Kleinia, Notonia, Senecio, Acanthostachys, Aechmia, Ananas, Araeocassus, Billbergia, Bromelia, Canistrum, Dyckia, Guzmania, Hoplophytum, Neoregelia, Nidularium, Orthophytum, Puya, Quesnelia, Tillandsia, Alluaudia, Didieria, Euphorbia, Monodenium, Synadenimum, Geranium, Pelargonium, Arachnis, Aranda, Aranthera, Brassovora, Brassolaeliocattleya, Bulbophyllum, Cattleya, Dendrobium, Encyclia, Epidendrum ,Laelia, Lanium, Oncidium, Phalaenopsis, Pleurothris, Schomburgkia, Sophrontis, Vanilla, Oxalis, Portulacaria, Calandrinia

[edit] Political divisions for where plants live

Using politically defined areas to illustrate and report where plants live is a cumbersome situation. I do this because:

1. I think it is cool to have the species that grow in a location show up in the 'what links here' list of the places they grow
2. The maps that are available are separated by politically defined lines
3. The sources of where they are distributed are in politically divided areas.

I have tried not to let my gardening background interfere with the articles I start or expand here. It is not a difficult task. That being said, I really miss the USDA zone map when it comes to mapping or mentioning worldwide distribution of plants.

There are two things that I would like that caused me to write this text here.

1. All of the politically defined areas and where they should be in a list divided by area
   • What I have now is nothing I am willing to defend. It is a melding of GRIN, the CIA, some people who have differed with my pasted placement and I joined a few Russian areas when trying to work with Asia. Worse yet! I am a flat map person -- in my brain. I really think that there is something wrong when I put England and Norway in the same European area. Perhaps if I compared latitudes it would feel better.
2. A useful world zone map for plants. I think that would be difficult but not unattainable. Start with the average gulf stream and add altitudes. Then overlay the political divisions on that. SVG format for graphics makes this an attainable and maintainable goal.

Anything that you can add to this or correct me on should be helpful to me when I take this to the commons graphics lab to see if I can get any of their SVG whiz kids there to help or make these maps. The world map that is there already is a great map! It validates after only a little editing (it is already too big for the validator to accept paste from -- url only). Most of the larger islands are there and can be selected individually -- which is also a pain. Problems I have had with it are Russia and the United States. I have an article started about a plant that only grows on its own in New Jersey, on that world map, all of the United States will be highlighted. I might have enough experience (with inkscape) that I can import more divided maps into the world map and make it work -- dunno yet about that.

My problem right now is that I probably am going to make more flawed distribution lists because I have nothing definitive to go on.

Thanks for your cleanup on Senecio cineraria. -- carol (talk) 02:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Great PDF! It is very similar to the Ecozones and mostly it is an improvement. The subdivisions of the continents were exactly what I needed. The ecozones map divides Mexico (what looks like between mountains) and puts Northern Africa into Europe -- I have a theory that the Spanish sailors were wearing clothing made of seeds; I read in a book that a boat from Scotland was using seeds for ballast and that is how the plant got into Canada -- so the joke about the clothing is a joke, but the sailors taking seeds from Spain to Northern Africa isn't. It is interesting that the plant map follows political lines also, heh.

It would be nice if we could get a Canuck and a New Zealander involved with the gathering of the resources -- are there any other countries which are remnants of the European dynasty that I have forgotten here?

Right now, if I could raise someone from the dead, it would surely be John A. Gilruth the article doesn't mention that he was the person to put together the information about Senecio and kin poisoning livestock. Arthur Robertson Cushny took it to the 'people who matter' in England -- but that was several years later. I wouldn't mind seeing a movie about all of this, it is quite interesting and the characters seem strong. He was a bacteriologist who had the balls and knowledge to say that a problem was not a bacteria. Heh, I hadn't read the article (still have only scanned it) -- I am starting to like him even more from that....

Thanks for that 153 page Map, it is what I needed! -- carol (talk) 07:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Black Sails

Hello. Saw you've created a stub for Black Sails. I'm not sure this is necessarily a notable hill in WP terms. We've shied away generally from pages on subsidiary tops which are variously only Hewitts, Nuttalls or Birketts. You'll note that the subsidiary tops box on Wetherlam carries data on Black Sails.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it is difficult to forsee a full article on Black Sails ever being written which doesn't simply duplicate that for Wetherlam. And just creating stubs doesn't seem the point when many more notable hills need better articles. I can illustrate this best by saying that Black Sails is on my to do list because its a Birkett, but I can't imagine me or anyone else climbing it as the main objective of the day. Feel free to disagree, that's what WP is all about. You might want to take this up on the British and Irish hills wikiproject, link at WP:BIHILLS. regards Bobble Hat (talk) 17:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the reply. I reckon a redirect back to Wetherlam is best. Just want to avoid hundreds of stubs appearing- they make the deletion people rather trigger happy. cheers Bobble Hat (talk) 21:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Argyrodendron / Heritiera

Hi Lavateraguy! You write in Argyrodendron a recent molecular study shows Argyrodendron to be distinct from Heritiera. Do you have a reference to the study? Krasanen (talk) 18:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I found the abstract. I think the Argyrodendron article could include the reference. It is strange that the two genera are still clumped in the FloraOnline of NSW. Krasanen (talk) 21:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)