Talk:Late Old Japanese
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[edit] Adjectives
If, like Vovin, you assume adjectives with stems ending in -si and haplology (si.si > -si.) in the conclusive, there is only one type of regular conjugation:
| Adjective root | Irrealis 未然形 |
Adverbial 連用形 |
Conclusive 終止形 |
Attributive 連体形 |
Realis 已然形 |
Imperative 命令形 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| taka- | -ku | -si | -ki | -kere | ||
| -kara | -kari | -si | -karu | -kare | ||
| kanasi- | -ku | - | -ki | -kere | ||
| -kara | -kari | - | -karu | -kare |
So much simpler, but try selling it to the "traditionalists"! --RJCraig 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it is simpler. And I generally agree with it. Another analysis is to remove the conclusive -si and handle it separately. Then the -k- becomes part of the stem. However, I tried to describe the morphological reality rather as generally accepted rather than theory. Bendono 03:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I haven't seen the analysis carried that far before. That would essentially mean that the stem of every adjective ended in -k...a slightly unusual situation, all in all. (Stem allomorphy or some rather ad hoc phonological "phinagling" to derive the conclusive?) As far as general acceptance...vox populi.... --RJCraig 05:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Chronology
The language of the Heian period is most often called (Vovin, Frellesvig, etc.) "Early Middle Japanese", as it is closer to Middle Japanese of the Kamakura and Muromachi periods than to Old Japanese. And since there is no real consensus about the details of the chronology, historical stages of the language should be refered to as "language of the ***th century" rather than "from year *** to year ***". Tomaaru 02:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] e and ye into e?
Not that e and ye into ye, and then to e? 202.120.36.179 05:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC) (Anonymous coward)
- There were two separate phonemes: /e/ and /ye/. During this period they merged together into a single phoneme: /e/. At this time /e/ was pronounced [ye]. Bendono 06:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I added a few references. Bendono 12:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
