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Contents 1 Radiation 2 Purple lasers 3 Added USA federal act info 4 Pet's mental heatlh 5 Added places to find high-powered green lasers 6 Edit a link 7 Promotions? 8 Removed promotions 9 External links 10 FDA 11 WHAT?! 11.1 Blu-Ray is Purple / violet ? 12 Diagram would be helpful 13 Laser Patterns 14 High-powered portable lasers 15 2000s fad? 16 Unfair bias 17 Re: Redundant information 18 Is any output power limitation exist for Europe? 19 Power limitations in the US 20 removal of warning notice picture 21 Outdated Classes 22 Canadian regulation

[edit] Radiation

What about those Radiation Exposure warnings? Question posted 5 July 2007 by 67.168.67.243

What about them? Light is radiation and lasers produce intense (and sometimes hazardous) light. Pzavon 02:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Purple lasers

dont see what a $200,000 purple DPSSS laser has to do with laser POINTERS , article should relate only to items available as a laser POINTER ???

[edit] Added USA federal act info

I have added details of recent federal USA law , article looking a lot tidier slashme , i would like to see the details back about the inventor of blue lasers , the articles a hoot ! about how he was a failed inventor and discovered blue laser light by accident . Also would like to see details back about the FUTURE of blue lasers as it will become the standard in future taking over from red due to mass production .......but i guess yuo must have had reason for removing those pieces i entered in previous article Visitor not registered - 10.12.05 - paul bluesky

Hi Paul. The reason I removed that copy was because it didn't really fit in the laser -pointer- article. Maybe you could put it in the laser diode article instead. I'll watch that page too, see what you come up with! :] --Slashme 08:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pet's mental heatlh

Hi, we have a question. What do you think about the mental health of the dog hunting the laser spur. Should we be worried be cause the dog acts like crazy.

Dunno whether you're serious, but I'll answer as if you are: If the dog's having fun chasing it, great. If it looks like that infuriating red spot is freaking the poor sucker out too much, give him a break. Remember, your dog doesn't have to make a living, so if he's a nutter, who cares?  :-) --Slashme 17:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, i've seen that too in cats - some of them go mad for the laser and other are scared of it. I guess it just depends on what sort it is (the animal, not the laser). Think outside the box

[edit] Added places to find high-powered green lasers

I added some places to find high-powered green lasers and a picture that I took of my laser from Wicked Lasers. If anyone else has places to find green lasers be sure to add them to the section.

Thanks.

RockMancuso 00:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Cyberguys.com at 800-892-1010 or www.cyberguys.com have a AAA powered green, penlight laser for about $130.

Red lasers and some green penlight lasers are on sale at most large office-supply stores like Staples, Office Depot, and Office Max.

Many sites on the Internet have lasers for sale but realize that battery power sorts the good from the bad units. You should avoid using watch batteries for power supply and many cheaper models select this limitation. Users get better performance out of AA or AAA power cells.

eBay for as low as $6 with shipping & handling already included.

[edit] Edit a link

One of the Wicked Lasers users had entered his referral code into the link to the Wicked Lasers site, which allows the user to gain points towards a future purchase whenever someone purchased a laser after clicking the link. This is abuse of the Wicked Bucks system due to the fact that the Wikipedia is public domain and someone should not benefit from the wikipedia in this way.

All i did was restore the actuall URL to the Wiked Lasers site ---Matt

[edit] Promotions?

Just curious, are you allowed to have promotions and company ads in an article? Doesn't sound right to me.

[edit] Removed promotions

Removed the price-list of Wicked Lasers, Wikipedia is not for promoting individual companies and posting their price lists. Removed Link to Wicked Lasers about their record. Unfair publicity to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.245.108.189 (talk) 18:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Why are some external links (high powered) allowed and not others?

Well, perhaps, because many lasers sold on the Internet are not legal in the US and most other industrialized nations, as they lack any semblance of safety equipment. Seriously, there's a reason why somebody can sell a 200MW red laser for ~55$, and it's not just by using cheap labor and lead paint. The product won't have a delay, a key, an IR filter (needed on green lasers), or many of the other things a class IIIB product ought to sport. While we indeed have users in countries like China and India, it's still probably not the wisest to link to these eminently affordable and equally dangerous products.

--24.91.98.99 (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

In addition, the links that have been posted in the High-powered lasers section have tented to be links to sites whose primary purpose is to make sales. Commercial web sites are not generally considered to be appropriate for use as citations. Pzavon (talk) 02:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FDA

"Lasers with outputs over 5 mW need to be registered with the FDA in the USA."

Could this be the FCC? --149.217.1.6 13:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

no - http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?FR=1040.10

It's the FDA

and it's laser manufacturers that register products and keep sales records ? --195.137.93.171 (talk) 06:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, manufacturers must register their products with FDA/CDRH. Manufacturers and/or distributors must keep sales records. There are some exceptions for Class 1 products in this regard. Pzavon (talk) 01:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WHAT?!

Why is this page linked to from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming#Examples_of_culture_jamming??? Please explain or remove link...

[edit] Blu-Ray is Purple / violet ?

The part about blue lasers is rather diseving. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD diodes are 405nm and thus are NOT blue, they are purple! Second because these are purple diodes and not DPSS 473nm lasers they will NOT effect the price of current blue lasers either portable or lab style. 24.15.52.4 00:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diagram would be helpful

I think it would be very helpful to add in a diagram for th part where it's talking about how green lasers and the like work. It's very confusing for someone like me who isn't some kind of laser specialist, the way it keeps using a bunch of technical names for different parts. It's extremely hard for someone like me to visualize how all this stuff works, yet the onl visual aid I get is some picture of a guy pointing a green laser at a tree. As you can imagine, that's not too helpful. So, could someone please add in a diagram on how green lasers and blue lasers work? It would be much appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.240.103.43 (talk) 01:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Laser Patterns

I was wondering how the laser patterns were made in laser pointers (you know, the exchangeable heads that you screw to the pointer). Watching one with a microscope revealed a citymap-like pattern, I guess that's a diffraction pattern, from what I recall from my optics lessons, but I really wonder how it works, as the produced "image" doesn't rotate when I rotate the head or slightly move it sideways, although the microscopic pattern is made of straight perpendicular lines. Could an optics specialist explain this to me (possibly in understandable words as I'm French and I'm not an optics specialist). Thanks. CyrillusMagnus 22:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] High-powered portable lasers

This is an article about Laser Pointers, which are, almost by definition, low power devises. In my opinion, it is not an appropriate place for a section discussing High-powered portable lasers. I propose removing that section. Comments anyone? Pzavon 01:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

No opinion one way or the other, but adding a fact tag to the heading is NOT the correct way to remove a section. --Tjsynkral 02:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Really? Even if the whole section is what is in need of substantiation? Pzavon 03:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm restoring the section. They are after all pointers and can fit in into this article nicely. --Amit 14:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Please explain your rationalle more clearly. Pzavon 23:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Pzavon. This article is about laser pointers and the section on high-power lasers should be deleted. It is not about handheld lasers, high power lasers, or lasers in general. If it is determined that a page is needed on "handheld lasers", of which laser pointers are one type, then handheld lasers should be created. Notably, the web pages of the manufacturers of high powered handheld lasers are careful to distinguish them from laser pointers. As the article correctly indicates, laser pointers are primarily used for drawing attention to things, particularly during a presentation. That application, even implied by the name "laser pointer", requires that low enough power is used to not be harmful to the object pointed at (e.g., a screen) but also to the unprotected eyes of the audience. Laser pointers are clearly low-power lasers, and the introduction to the article should also be changed to indicate this. Finally, the brand name "wicked" has been spammed into the links many times-- even at this moment, and has now found its way into the article; it should be excised. (Wikipedia:Spam) Oskay 08:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

With tiny coin-cell or triple-A 30 milliwatt green lasers going for thirty dollars online, the legal definition of a laser pointer is just that, a US legal one. Class IIIB products, including serious ones with up to 200 milliwatts of power, are regularly considered laser pointers, both on certain forums and in a winking manner, by certain discount electronics importers. Many of these products fit in a pocket, and are too poorly constructed to have any legitimate application beyond casual astronomy use or perhaps engraving; certainly not fit for any sort of laboratory or field work. These things do point, however, and the media seems to also place them alongside more pedestrian Class 2 and 3A products, as evidenced by reporting around various plane scares, as well as the US government's own bulletin. Consider this a vote to keep a mention within this article. --24.91.98.99 (talk) 06:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2000s fad?

Should there not be a reference to the early 2000s fad with laser pointers? You know... when teens everywhere always pointed them at everything and everyone 24/7?142.176.111.29 02:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unfair bias

Just to point out that they, like guns, legal to own in the US are dangerous only when placed in the wrong hands. Just because this writer does not happen to be enthusiastic about laser devices dosn't mean he/she can start spreading bad press about them. This is an encyclopedia, not a blog. section and comment added 2 September 2007 by 86.145.122.216

Please be more specific. Which section, which editor, are you talking about? Pzavon 19:33, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Redundant information

Pzavon, regarding "I can't find this infomration [sic] provided elsewhere in the article. Please use discussion page to show me" -- you can find the information you readded, from the article, in the "Types of laser pointer" chapter. Search for this sentence: "For the same optical power, the green laser will seem brighter than other colors because the human eye is most sensitive in the green area of spectrum (for low light levels), with sensitivity decreasing as colors become redder or bluer." --Bisqwit (talk) 18:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is any output power limitation exist for Europe?

Is any output power limitation exist in Europian laws for public sell of laser pointer? Mahdig (talk) 20:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

That may depend on what you mean by "limitation in European Law." EN60825, based on IEC60825, indicates what is acceptable beam power for extended or momentary optical or skin exposure to the beam. Compliance with EN60825 is required for complaince with other standards that must be met to market within the EU. The result is an indirect limitation on the power of laser pointers. Pzavon (talk) 22:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the standard mentioned by Pzavon aims to limit sale of laser pointers to Class 2 throughout the EEC, though enforcement is down to individual countries. In the UK the Trading Standards Authorities have been urged to use their existing powers to enforce the limitation. --Brian R Hunter (talk) 11:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Power limitations in the US

Mahdig is asking what specific paragraph in the law bans the use of a 3B laser as a laser pointer. The regulations are not that specific. They were written before laser pointers were developed. They establish laser classes based on the potential for injury to eye or to skin. Since all lasers manufactured or marketed un the US must be registered with the FDA, the FDA has a say in uses that are acceptable and those that are not. A laser that is Class 3B simply is not acceptable to FDA for use as a pointer. FDA has US Customs intercept such items and prevent their entry to the US market. If made in the US, the registration process results in FDA preventing their being marketed. But you will NOT find a paragraph anywhere in the regulations (which date for about 1971) that even use the term "laser pointer" let along address what laser powers are acceptable and what are not. Pzavon (talk) 04:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

only exceptionss stated in 21CFR1040.10(a)(1) and (2) require registeration which does not include end-user products like laser pointer.Mahdig (talk) 12:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure I fully understand your statement, above.

ALL lasers offered in commerce in the US are subject to 21CFR1040.10, including end-user products. This is a registration of a model or type, not of each individual laser that may be offered in commerce, although annual production numbers must be reported to FDA. The requirement for registering falls on the manufacturer or importer, not on the end-user. If you build your own laser for your own use you are not subject to that regulation, but if you sell, loan or give it to someone else, the FDA considers that as being "offered in commerce" and considers that their regulations apply. Pzavon (talk) 03:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I know that ALL laser products offered in commerce in the US are subject to 21CFR1040.10, however the registration as mentioned in 1040.10(a)(3) is required for exceptions stated in 1040.10(a)(1) and (2). FDA accession Number I have seen on a foreign laser pointer package are because of another laws.

Not quite the case. The exceptions at 1040.10(a)(1) and (a)(2) exempt components of laser products, but the laser product itself (as a whole) is covered. 1040.10(a)(3) is not connected to those two exceptions for components. Since the process of Registering a laser product amounts to describing how the product complies with all the requirements of 1040.10, for practical purposes 1040.10(a)(3) is not an exception but a universal requirement for laser products offered in the US market. Have you ever tried to market a laser-containing product in the US without doing that? Your product will not be on the market for long. Pzavon (talk) 23:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] removal of warning notice picture

I am unclear as to why this change was made to remove the warning notice image. Was there a problem with it? It seemed a useful picture to me. --Brian R Hunter (talk) 11:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Outdated Classes

This article is still using the old laser classes (I, II, IIa, etc..) rather than the new classes implemented in 2002 (1, 1M, 2, 2M etc...). I would change them myself, except that I can't find the mW cutoffs for the new classes. Anyone who can fix the classes should please do so. J0lt C0la (talk) 23:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Depending on where you are in the world, Classes I, II, IIa, etc. may or 'may not be outdated. The newer classification is certainly in use in Europe, but the older system is still used in the US regulatory standards "owned" by the FDA, and is only an appendix in the ANSI standard on Laser safety. What I see is the article using the particular class names appropriate to the location being discussed in particular paragraphs. Pzavon (talk) 01:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian regulation

Looks like Canada does have some regulations that could apply under the banner of demonstration lasers, but the scope is so narrow that it would be trivial for an importer to avoid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.87.20 (talk) 04:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)