Talk:Kyrill, Prince of Preslav
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[edit] Styled?
What does this mean? Self-styled pretender to a non-existent throne? Gene Nygaard 14:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
- Self-styled appears to be a term of art when speaking about contemporary European royalty, and it's probably best not to read too much into it. Self-styled encompasses royal families who are both in and out of Constitutional power. It sort of puts them all on equal footing, as if the 20th C hadn't really happened.
- In fact, I don't think Kyrill of Saxe-Coburg has ever made claims to power. He is simply who he is by birth, and by the obvious lines of succession had his father not been deposed before his birth. When Kyrill was a bachelor, he was followed by the likes of "Hola!" magazine for years (he is handsome and photogenic). I think some expected him to marry back into royalty. Sandover 18:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
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- So, why has this since been moved to "Kyrill, Prince of Preslav"? He is not a prince of anything. Gene Nygaard 17:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was No move. Duja 08:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Kyrill, Prince of Preslav → Kyrill Saxe-Coberg — He is not a prince of anything. Furthermore, Preslav itself is nothing but a ghost town. He is not even a self-styled prince of a non-existent monarchy. He makes no claims to the defunct throne, nor does his father. This is only prince-cruft by other people, who dream about the good old days wish for him to marry a princess and live happily ever after. Gene Nygaard 18:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- That was my typo, if changed it should go to Kyrill Saxe-Coburg with a u, as Morhange pointed out below. Gene Nygaard 00:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
Add * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''' on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
- Oppose - He is a pretender. There's no such place as Prussia anymore, but the Prussian pretender is still known as the Prince of Prussia. The French Orleanist pretender still grants his children titles, even though France has been a republic for decades and he has no legal right to give these titles, some of which are, I think, extinct provinces. As far as I know, the heir to the Bulgarian throne, extant or not, is known as the Prince of Preslav, so this should stay here. Morhange 23:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
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- No, he is not. Furthermore, even if he were, it is Princes who might have that title in their article name IAW WP:NC, not pretenders. And no, Kyrill, Pretend Prince of Preslav wouldn't work either, but since he isn't a pretender in the first place, it is irrelevant. Gene Nygaard 00:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Ack. I had confused him with his older brother, Kardam. Kyrill's not the first in line of the non-existant throne, but by courtesey, as the second son of the ex-King of Bulgaria, IS styled Prince of Preslav. Morhange 08:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- No, he is not. Furthermore, even if he were, it is Princes who might have that title in their article name IAW WP:NC, not pretenders. And no, Kyrill, Pretend Prince of Preslav wouldn't work either, but since he isn't a pretender in the first place, it is irrelevant. Gene Nygaard 00:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose The pretense is his only claim to notability, so it will probably be searched for. Septentrionalis 18:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. If we moved this, then we would have to more all those who are members of former ruling Royal Family, including the French, German, Italian, Russian etc etc. This is how he is always known, whether its strictly legal or not. --Berks105 11:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
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Note further that no reason was ever given for a previous move from Kyrill of Preslav to Kyrill, Prince of Preslav, done by User:Astorknlam on 13 June 2006, and no evidence supporting either name has ever been provided. Gene Nygaard 18:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
He also appears to be a Spaniard, by residence as well as by birth, American-educated and having lived at some time in London. Gene Nygaard 18:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
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- If this does get moved, it should be to Kyrill Saxe-Coburg. It's spelled with a U, not an E. And it was probably moved because Kyrill of Preslav makes it seem like he is either a consort or a non-numbered king. The Prince of Wales isn't at Charles of Wales, nor are his sons at William/Henry of Wales, so the move made sense. Morhange 23:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, my typo. Yes, it should be a u. Gene Nygaard 00:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
