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Contents 1 The Blatric 2 Copyedit 3 Drugs? 4 INtro talk 5 Examples in music videos 6 Spelling 7 Comments on above post 8 cross reference 9 Contradiction 10 International Krump Movement 11 Who is this page for? 12 :() 13 K.R.U.M.P? 14 - "Krump" not new ??

[edit] The Blatric

Sirs, I need help to stop an article being deleated! The Blatric is a new dance craze that is hitting the Edinburgh, UK dance scene. We need help in keeping this article. Please can anyone help by adding to the discussion on that page. This is has several hundreds of followers in edinburgh, we need help! Even though this dance is still fairly new it could be the next form of Krumping for all you know!

[edit] Copyedit

Somebody needs to edit this. Half the sentences are poorly written.

Copyedit done. Kcordina 13:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drugs?

In the section where the styles of dance are listed a few are listed as 'drug induced' Cocaine being one of the honorable mentions. - I do not see how a style of dance can be influenced or reproduced only by the use of a drug(S)... As such I have removed the drug references, I also believe that they should only be re-admitted into the article if someone here can actually source these somewhat scandalous claims. Orasis 21:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it was definitely vandalism. Thanks for spotting and removing it. - Wintran ^(talk) 11:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] INtro talk

There is no introduction on 'Tight Eyez'.. how will users understand the 'big homie - little homie' concept when the example is not fully explained in itself.

Tight Eyez is a real person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.167.213.5 (talk) 05:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Pteron, could you please provide a reference for the following quote: "The first clown dancer was Thomas Johnson aka Tommy the Clown, a former spokesperson for Gray Davis." Amardesich

Minutes ago I did hear the above reported on the CBS Evening News. .... Moleskiner 23:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC) krump dancin is the only way that teenagers children and most adults get a chznce to get away from all the bad i n south central los angeles.this is a positive movement that is able to tal=ke young people poff the streets corners and gangs. Just curious, why does the first sentence say that krumping is "intended for African-Americans"? If it is, could somebody explain how and why on the page?

Not sure, but I think it got there through some unnoticed vandalism. It's definitely not true I assure you, so I removed it. This article is not in a very good shape and is subject to a lot of vandalism and personal opinions. Feel free to help cleaning it up if you have the time. Wintran 23:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

This:

"Krumping" should never be confused with "crumping" which is a slang term for affectionate cuddling between lovers. this muscular spasm should never be confused with dancing which is not gay

needs to be removed. I'll do it. 192.59.23.211 18:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC) JHLipton

[edit] Examples in music videos

The following were moved from the main page:

• Missy Elliott's
• Madonna's Hung Up music video
• The Black Eyed Peas's
• The Chemical Brothers'
• Skinny Puppy's
• Missy Elliott's

I've taken the external links from these per Wikipedia:External links. Of course, without these links there isn't much point in this list... Can come up with some compelling reason why this list is required? brenneman^(t)(c) 07:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it violates any rules stated in the External links page and is relevant to the article. It needs to be there because the only way to understand what krumping is is to see it in action. I think it's a very important part of the article and needs to be part of the actual article. These examples also show how krumping has actually influenced pop culture. They either need to be posted in the article or each one needs to be written about. - Zack

Krumping reminds me alot of an pretty old Music Video From The Prodigy "Voodoo People" from 1995. Is the video inspired by real Voodoo Dancers ? What do you think about the connection of Voodoo/Religion to the Krump Movement? -Stefan

chris brown's "gimme that" really doesn't have much krump. "run it" actually has a lot more. i also fail to see how "give it up to me" by sean paul ft. keyshia cole is much of an example either. 71.192.247.11 07:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

(IchBin 07:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)) Corrected all the spelling errors in the article. ayo this is big cameo, check it this is how it is, The originators of krumping is: Tight Eyes Lil C and Big Mijo. Krump stands for:

Kingdom Radically Uplifted Mighty Praise

It is a Christian dance and is used for radically uplifting gods kingdom and praising his name in a mightly way. It started in 2002, on the west coast of L.A. The story goes... Tight Eyes And Big Mijo wanted to become clowns In the Tommy the clown academy, but they were to ruggard and raw for clowning(Another dance formed in L.A, created by tommy the clown. Which involves Stripper dancing, Popping and entertainment a.k.a acting like a clown.)but than Big Mijo got told that he was to ruggard for clowning. So Big Mijo, went over to Tight Eyes house to dance and stumbled over this new dance, which later on was to be called Krump (thanks to Lil C) and from there Most of the foundation moves you see in krumping originates from these three guy Tight Eyes, Big Mijo and Lil C.

Krumping has roots to Africa and tribal war dancing, Black civil history and riots of Rodney King, So the emotions and style of dancing will reflect these historical events

The history section needs to be edited or deleted as it is entirely about the history of clowing, not krumping. Why is it even there?

[edit] Comments on above post

Just to clarify a couple of things written above under spelling: I don't know who posted this, or where the poster got his/her information, but Krumping is not a Christian dance; the dancers are Christian and very connected to God,but it is not a Christian dance. Also, Krumping did not begin as person posting suggests, and all one has to do to know that is watch the documentary--its all explained. Krump does not have roots in Africa, in fact, if you watch the DVD extras on Rize, you'll hear Lil C say in an interview that he was shocked when he saw that part of the film--he'd never seen anything like it before--Krump was born in L.A.

[edit] cross reference

There's got to be a connection between clowns, "Lil Homey" and "Big Homey", and In Living Color's "Homey the Clown". I don't know how to draw this connection in the article, though.

The grammar is still really bad, but I don't know enough about the subject to fix it.

No, there doesn't. Go back to Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns, early 1960s r&b performers out of New Orleans. Go back to Robert Johnson's 1930s blues song "From Four Until Late" ("You get with a no-good bunch and clown"). Clowning is an old, old black term -- many decades older than In Living Color. 64.142.90.34 (talk) 01:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

Begining says facepaint is coll within krumping, Last say it is not

face paint isn't just a way to stick out while they dance it's how they express their selves!

[edit] International Krump Movement

Due to the WikiProject Trivia Cleanup, Many articles on Wikipedia have too much trivia, and need to be shortened (or just removed altogether). This project focuses on finding, tagging and cleaning articles with too much trivia. Trivia sections shouldn't always be removed altogether - they may just require shortening.

This whole part of the section was deleted? Although everybody within Australia has had their fair share in doing their best to push it forward, some still try to claim to be the one soul person who brought it to Australia. It truly has been a shared responsibility and the true pioneers within Australia are those who accept that fact and keep pushing it forward rather than loosing the meaning of KRUMP. Most have excelled in KRUMP but there are still some who try to take fame rather than help the movement. PinoyBoy has become an ambassador within Australia and although he has tries to stay away from the internet, publications, and events (because of the notion of misinterpretations and the fact that others see this as trying to claim something), his presence is widely sought after by various KRUMP families as well as event managers/producers of various dance shows/competitions.

Leaving this: Australia: The earliest indication and traces of KRUMP in Australia was in 2002. It was demonstrated at a small talent show, based in Melbourne, by Sherwin Glen AKA PinoyBoy. During this show, a basic style kill off was shown. The start of KRUMP in Australia had begun but there was much improvement to be done; before it was to be seen as what KRUMP has become today. In 2003, Sherwin Glen showcased the first Rugged Arm Swings to be seen in Australia. In the famously distributed online clip "Old School KRUMP", we see how most are not ready for the expressive dance style, when those performing with Sherwin Glen seem to become frightened and troubled, during the second half of the clip.

This points to one person who comes across as the one person who brought KRUMP to Australia. It has been a shared responsibility

It has been ammended as: Australia: The earliest indication and traces of KRUMP in Australia was in 2002. It was demonstrated at a small talent show, based in Melbourne, by Sherwin Glen AKA PinoyBoy. During this show, a basic style kill off was shown. The start of KRUMP in Australia had begun but there was much improvement to be done; before it was to be seen as what KRUMP has become today. In 2003, Sherwin Glen showcased the first Rugged Arm Swings to be seen in Australia. In the famously distributed online clip "Old School KRUMP", we see how most are not ready for the expressive dance style, when those performing with Sherwin Glen seem to become frightened and troubled, during the second half of the clip. Everybody within Australia has had their fair share in doing their best to push it forward and it truly has been a shared responsibility.

[edit] Who is this page for?

The only sentence in the entire article that actually might help someone understand what this dance is is this fragment "a rapid rhythmic bobbling and arms swinging, as well as the intermittent flex of the spine and thrust-out chest" which occurs about 3/4 of the way through. The rest of the article basically says "This is a dance style that is different from others and actually different from itself too." If you care about the dance enough to write stuff then please care enough to write stuff that other people may find useful!

I'm just being pissy cos I was genuinely interested to learn more and didn't!

To be honest, this is one of the worst articles on Wikipedia. "Snap Dancing" is a close second. Eli lilly 11:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  :()

Who wrote this?

Lots of different people, just like all other Wikipedia article. The problem with this article is that it has no serious editors yet, and is subject to much vandalism by anonymous users. If you have any knowledge on the topic, feel free to start cleaning it up and/or rewriting what you see fit. A good way to start is to remove all the nonsense and vandalism. - Wintran ^(talk) 20:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

"A good way to start is to remove all the nonsense and vandalism." hahahaha MY OH MY WHERE DO I BEGIN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.174.177.138 (talk) 04:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

By the way, just add that Tecktonik is a copy of or a version of or a derivative from krumping and clowning with a mix of techno house electronic music... Anonymous reader, thursday, 17 January 2008, 2:00pm (Paris time zone) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.243.0.45 (talk) 13:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] K.R.U.M.P?

There are lots of pages on the net saying that Krump is derived from K.R.U.M.P (Kingdom Radically Uplifted Mighty Praise) and "is a dance style with Christian roots". Where does this come from? I can't see that it has any basis in the history - but this idea must have come from somewhere - even if it's false it's so common that it needs to be some discussion or explanation in the article (by someone who knows the story *and* can find real references...)Snori (talk) 19:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

"Where does this come from"??? Well, you can see the words "K.R.U.M.P / Kingdom Radically Uplifted Mighty Praise" right on Tight Eyez' vids. Go to youtube and do your homework, homie, and while you're there, listen to Tight Eyez give all praise for krump to God and Jesus. You say, "this idea must have come from somewhere" but if you ain't with it, don't cite-tag it just cause it's unknown to you. You don't krump, you don't watch krump vids, you know nothing about krumpin and you want us to prove it on you? Uh-uh, brother, you're just showing your ignorance. The truth is out there. 64.142.90.34 (talk) 01:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, seeing the words on Tight Eyez' vids doesn't prove anything to the origin of the word Krump. It shows an association, surely. I think Snori's concern is that "Kingdom Radically Uplifted Mighty Praise" might be a backronym. In addition, asking someone to do their homework instead of providing verifiable facts seems a bit like requesting that they synthesize the facts that are being postulated. This can lead to very unencyclopedic articles.

Whether those who are requesting verification actually krump, clown, ballroom dance or salsa is irrelevant to this issue. This claim should have supporting evidence or be rephrased. Perhaps if anyone could find a youtube video or anything in which Tight Eyez or Mijo mentions the derivation of Krump, we could at least cite this (with rephrasing as well). Otherwise, the burden of evidence still lies on those who wish to make the claim of the origin. WDavis1911 (talk) 23:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems like the issue of K.R.U.M.P. is still coming in from various editors. I will try to clarify the issue somewhat. There is no doubt that K.R.U.M.P. is used as an acronym for Kingdom Radically Uplifted Mighty Praise. However, what is often being presented is the implication that the word Krump itself came from this acronym. In other words... did Tight Eyez and Mijo say to themselves "Hey, let's call this K.R.U.M.P., and it will stand for Kingdom Radically Uplifted Mighty Praise," or did they just name it Krump, and later on other people created a backronym for the word, one that has become popularized and accepted. These are two different things. The problem is, there are tons of MySpacers and Youtubers that we can cite for the fact that this association exists... however I have yet to see anything from an authoritative source (e.g., the founders of krump) that talk about whether the word was originally an acronym. I did find this site though: Rap Basement article on Krumping
Unfortunately, even though it claims that Tight Eyez has said this, it fails to give any information on how they would know this:

• Did they interview Tight Eyez: the article doesn't make that claim.
• Are they quoting him from a video, article in a magazine, etc.? They don't say.
• If they were a source that were known for their journalistic acuity.. perhaps we could let the lack of verifiability slide. But I'd dare say the same questions would pop up even if this were the New York Times.

I just wish that someone could give a reference to something that shows Tight Eyez or Mijo explicitly saying that krump was a word they crafted to mean Kingdom Radically Uplifted Mighty Praise. If not, we shouldn't make that claim in this article. Can someone help here?
In the meantime, I reworded the reference to the acronym to a less disputable form, and included it in the lead. WDavis1911 (talk) 04:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] - "Krump" not new ??

From the reading of the article, it seems that krumping is nothing more than rebranded B-Boy battling and facing off, as brought to the masses by Afrika Baambaataa, and early Hip Hop [circa early 80's].
Even if it's not, shouldn't it reference B-Boy battling and the whole concept of "dance instead of violence" movement ??
193.243.227.1 (talk) 13:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Stylistically, krumping as a dance isn't like the dancing done in B-Boy battling, but thematically, yes I think you are right on target... there are interesting similarities between the two. How best to go about expressing that in the article with valid sources and not performing synthesis I'm not sure about. Perhaps you should write something up and add it to the page, or perhaps link some good sources on the talk page here. I'll try to help if I can find some good information. Good observation though-- I agree wholeheartedly that we should find some way of including that if we can. WDavis1911 (talk) 19:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)