User talk:Koro Neil

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1 Help required
2 Hello
3 Comma Johanneum
4 Speedy deletion of Ha Ha Sound
5 Fellow antiinerrantist
6 Speedy deletion of Marcus Turner
7 February 2008
8 WP:AUK
9 About making links for people...
10 Re: Shiner etc.
11 Ogden Nash
12 Ender's Game.

[edit] Help required

I originally posted the following in the article itself. I am not having the problem now, but leave this here, as I would still like to know what caused the problem.

Sorry to use this page for what might seem illicit purposes, but it's the only page I've found that offers me the option of editing. A lot of articles show me a "view source" tab, but not an "edit this page" tab. Nor do articles show the "edit" option for each section. I have only recently returned to Wikipedia after a year without a computer.

When I try to log in under my old username of Copey 2, I get a message saying there is no such user, although I found my user page. I created a new user name, Koro Neil, but my attempt to log in with it also got a no-such-user response. I now see Koro Neil at the top of the page, so perhaps the problem has sorted itself, but I will leave this here in case it hasn't.

When I was trying to use Wikipedia without logging in, the figures (ISP?) 127.0.0.1 appeared at the top of the page. I went to its user page, and found someone was discussing banning the user for vandalism. This ISP (if I'm using the right term) is that of ihug.co.nz, one of New Zealand's biggest internet providers. In banning this ISP, Wikipedia cowboys are blocking several hundred thousand users. The user page of one of the proponents of the banning does not inspire confidence in his responsible use of Wikipedia privileges. Unfortunately, I cannot join the discussion, as I have no "edit this page" option.

In fact I was mistaken in thinking 127.0.0.1 was the ihug thingy, which is in fact 203.109.252.196.

If I find things have sorted themselves out by the time I post this, I will leave time for some friendly and knowledgeable wikipedian to explain what has been going on, then erase it. I apologize for using this page for purposes unrelated to its subject matter, but it it's the only page I've found where I can edit. Koro Neil (talk) 23:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

You were inquiring why you could edit some pages and not others. The are three classes of pages of Wikipedia:

Pages which anyone can edit - the vast majority of pages fall into this category.
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If you have any more questions, you can ask me, at my talk page or ask at the help desk. CIreland (talk) 05:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Welcome to Wikipedia. I saw the note you left and thought you might require assistance. User:Copey 2 does exist and is not blocked or anything. If you gave an e-mail address when you set it up, then you should be able to e-mail yourself a new password to the account when you attempt to login. If you didn't, then you're probably out of luck, and should continue to use this account. You probably couldn't find a page to edit because you started at the Main page and we tend to protect those. You ought to be able to edit almost any article. If you require further assistance, I suggest that either you post on the help desk, or you put {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page (your user talk page) with an explanation of what help you require. Have fun! Bovlb (talk) 05:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help guys. The computer I had when I set up Copey 2 died, and I no longer have the password for the email address I used, one which I created exclusively for blogging and wiki activities. I can probably delete that email address and resurrect it again with a new password. It wasn't just the Main page, it was nearly all pages, including ones I've edited in the past. I seem to be continuing trouble free—fingers crossed! Koro Neil (talk) 12:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I may need to hang fire on the death and resurrection of the email address—it's probably got stuff I need for this account. Koro Neil (talk) 12:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleting the old email address was easy, but no resurrection seems possible. Damn

[edit] Comma Johanneum

Could you review your comment on the talk page to that article as I am interested in the point you were making. Thanks. Str1977 ^(talk) 22:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I was Copey 2. I've been without a computer for some time, and had a glitch logging on my wife's computer, hence the new username.

I'm not clear on what you're wanting from me. I came across the apparent Cyprian quote by accident. I am not at all of the KJV only camp, and I have only subsequently found reference to the Cyprian passage in their literature. It strengthens their case somewhat. That is to say, it shows, I think with reasonable certainty, that the comma is far older than any extant text containing it. It is still a very long way, however, from proving that the words were in the original. Koro Neil (talk) 15:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey Koro/Copey,

it is hard to put together what my aim was back in September. Certainly not to discourage you from questioning the currently prevailing view that the Comma is a later addition. Rather more: if you have information in that regard, please contribute to the article and balance it so that all viewpoints are included. Str1977 ^(talk) 16:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll have another look at it. I don't think I can add new information, merely take issue with the way Cyprian's evidence is disputed. I haven't seen scholarly treatment on the Cyprian passage itself. The great New Testament commentator Henry Alford quotes the Latin text of Cyprian in his textual apparatus on John 1.7-8, but says in his commentary, "Even the supposed citations of the early Latin Fathers have now, on closer examination, disappeared."

Also from Alford's apparatus: Augustine quotes John 5.7-8 in a form that seemingly shows that the text he used lacked the Comma but, strikingly, he uses the passage in support of the doctrine of the Trinity, understanding the Spirit as representing (interestingly) the Father, the blood representing the Son, and the water representing the Holy Spirit. Possibly something like this was behind the addition of the Comma, whether early or late. Koro Neil (talk) 01:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Ha Ha Sound

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[edit] Fellow antiinerrantist

Hi Neil. Yes, was a pity about Blokes and Sheds. Just reading your userpage, got to say i totally empathise with yr comments in inerrancy, radically changed my spirituality when it ironed out that crease in my theology, but certainly made me no less orthodox an Anglican!!!A.J.Chesswas (talk) 23:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi A.J. Good to hear from you. I first spotted you as a contributor to pages on places in Taranaki. I grew up in Waitara, apart from the first 19 months, when I lived in Midhirst. Although my parents were not churchgoers, but I went to St John the Baptist Anglican Church as a child, but (ironically) became a Baptist at 16. However, the greater part of my Christian walk has been as an Apostolic, first in Christchurch, then here in Dunedin. But I don't really see my shift to the North East Valley Baptist Church in 2001 as a return. I have recently started taking services once a month in the Owaka Presbyterian Church, 110 or so km south of here. I also preach once, or occasionally twice a month in our own church. Interesting position for me, as the two churches are at different ends of the conservative evangelical spectrum.

Is there such a thing as an unorthodox Anglican? I mean, does anything count as unorthodox in Anglicanism? Oddly, I find that my shift from inerrantism doesn't stop God from speaking to me through Scripture. For example, there are things to be learned about the church if you're allowed to see the divide between Paul and James as possibly bigger than that between Protestantism and Catholicism. That's once you've sorted out that the two men gave different meanings to the words faith and works. So far as I can see, if you sorted out the church into Christians by Paul's definition or James's, you'd still end up with only one group of people. The Book of Jonah has a very "Once upon a time" feel to it, but if it's fiction, then it's divinely inspired fiction. Do I really believe that we may suffer because God has taken a bet with the devil? No, but the Book of Job says deep things about our human condition, and teaches us not to judge.

Not sure where I am these days on the Calvinism thing, except basically not. I was a moderate Calvinist (C.H. Spurgeon/Francis Schaeffer) for many years. Both hyper-Calvinism and an extreme Pelagianism sometimes seem to me to be valid these days. I even have the odd mystic moment of seeing them as really the same thing. I am a very great fan of G.K. Chesterton and C.S. Lewis.

Boethius65 is a very close friend of mine. He shares with us a Taranaki upbringing (Eltham) and a Christian faith. He lived in Dunedin for quite a number of years, but moved a few years ago to Tokoroa.

Keep in touch. Koro Neil (talk) 00:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Neil. Thanks for youre reply. I enjoyed your comments. A.J.Chesswas (talk) 09:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Marcus Turner

A tag has been placed on Marcus Turner requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

[edit] February 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on Talk:Marcus Turner. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Redfarmer (talk) 11:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The problem is, there are so many inappropriate pages created on Wikipedia per day that speedy deletion almost always depends on the content of the page as it is then seen. Editors who volunteer to tag these pages do not have the time or energy to research each one and depend on the creator of the article to make a clear cut assertion of importance and, ideally, try to establish at least a degree of notability, even if it is not sourced. If you cannot make a clear cut assertion of importance (which is different than notability, in that importance does not necessarily require proof in the article), you may want to create your articles in user space (for example, User:Koro Neil/Marcus Turner) to avoid speedy deletion until you can meet the criteria for speedy deletion. Cheers! Redfarmer (talk) 13:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Nah, it happens when you're a new page patroller. I've been forced to scale back work on my project articles because of class load recently so I've mainly been doing new page patrolling and participating in deletion discussions/other discussions. Redfarmer (talk) 13:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:AUK

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[edit] About making links for people...

G'day Neil...

Was having a look at your list of folkie performers with non-red links a moment ago. Apart from Mahinarangi Tocker (let's face it, there could only be ONE of her :), many of the links there point to people other than the intended bod.

In other words, folks with the same name from other places. Both Martha Louise and Shiner are cases in point. Martha Louise points to a Scandinavian princess, and some American band have stolen the name from our favourite foursome :(

What needs to happen here is two fold. First, a disambiguation page for each name needs to be built, with a link on it to each occurrence of the name. If you're not sure what I mean - go to my user-page and click on one - as I've worked on a few of them. Second, a separate article need be written for the New Zealand equivalent to, say, Shiner, and linked to the disambiguation page. That way - people have a choice as to which version of Shiner they want to read about - and (of course!) choose the right one :)

Now I think about it - I might just have that backwards - but BOTH steps are necessary.... lol

Finished a bibliography for Te Rangi Hiroa yesterday - please feel free to comment. Have one to do for Charles Wilkinson (more MY end of our birth province :) later on. Kia kaha... Boethius65 (talk) 07:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

E hoa! If you look at the Talk page of the Shiner article, you'll see a conversation between me and editors there. I had inserted a note at the beginning of the article to the effect that there was currently no article on the Dunedin band. They weren't sure that it should be there, and one suggested talking to me, at which point I joined the conversation. I explained why I had inserted the note, and left it to them to decide whether to reinstate it.

Martha Louise is one of the people on the list I didn't put there, and I had no idea who she was. I have since heard her perform here (she was excellent), and learned that she is in fact on an LP I've had for years, Gentle Annie - a trio also including Peter Madill, uncle of our son-in-law Sam, and now resident here again after a long absence. He is our featured artist next Sunday night.

Notability is a problem issue with NZ folk-music related articles. We don't generate a lot of sources suitable for Wikipedia purposes. I suspect Shiner would have notability issues as a stand-alone article, though they would rate a paragraph or so in an article on folk music in NZ. Koro Neil (talk) 12:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Shiner etc.

Neil,

I suspect you could POSSIBLY "pass muster" for notability with a (brief, perhaps) article on the Shiner himself: and then justify an article on the band by claiming that there was only one New Zealand outfit claiming inspiration from the name (and being from the very approximate geogrphical vicinity of his haunts). Not sure I'd try that trick with the "Jean-Paul Sartre Experience", however... lol Boethius65 (talk) 12:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, realtime conversation! Do you have my email address? neilcope at ihug etc? Koro Neil (talk) 12:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Neil - I sent an e-mail about a month ago

BTW - I think a better strategy may be to stress some of the original material on Shiner recordings: Vic's stuff for example. That'll mean an annotated discography with the entry (with tracklists, composition credits, etc.) - or a series of subpages: one for each recording. That establishes notability in my book... PLUS Vic's paean to older women deserves a MUCH wider audience... Boethius65 (talk) 12:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

It's best to leave the personal stuff out of here, I think. My last comment on the e-mail is that I'm glad you didn't get it... 'Nuff said Boethius65 (talk) 13:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup. This is why I want email contact. I lost your address with my last computer. :) Koro Neil (talk) 13:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

PS. What is the "Jean-Paul Sartre experience"?

I've resent it - with an addendum... JPSE were a Christchurch band of the 1980s and early 1990s... Boethius65 (talk) 13:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ogden Nash

I've addressed your comment at talk:Ogden Nash with a bit of historical American linguistics. I hope this clarifies things a bit for you and the everyone else in the world who doesn't speak our weird colonial variant of English. --14:48, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ender's Game.

Thanks for catching that. Cheers, · AndonicO ^Engage. 10:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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