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[edit] Grrl POWER!

WOW!!

the sexism section has really really grown! and really really well documented. i heard @ the vanity fair thing but i didnt know there so much talk out there @ the whole thing. i had a lot of heated debates @ this issue and im glad to see there are alot of really really respectible mags and newspaps backing me up!!!

(ps i did think it was funny and all but i had to totally cringe at the girls in the film.

i mean c'mon! get some selfrespect stop hanging out with this selfcentered jerk loser already!

for godsake your a hot babe teevee star! like rich and famous and young and sexy! you can get any man in the world even if your 8 months pregnant! why this loser!!!!!!????? GROOOOSS! JulieKO (talk) 13:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

the hell? Morte42 (talk) 18:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Media reaction" to Heigl's criticism

Just cut a lot of stuff about the "media reaction" to Heigl's comments. The reaction I can see in the references is a set of blog comments - i.e. individual views. The (pretty awful) source "the movie blog" says that there's been a negative reaction but there is no actual link to the reactions he discusses, or evidence that they exist outside of his head. Sounds to me like this is a lot of nonsense designed to publicise the bloggers concerned. --Dilaudid (talk) 12:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality Tag

If you look in the section where I put the neutrality tag, it says AGAIN...

Time magazine suggested that the film's box office performance could be in further part attributed to a sociological phenomenon wherein many movie-goers saw the film simply "so they can join the debate, if only to say it wasn't that good."[33]

I'm sorry, but the "honored advice" of one writer at Time does not represent a global view of the subject for me. The movie was good, just look at the numbers, and the ratings. Just because a writer at Time is questioning the results of the movie, I do not feel has the right to take up MORE THAN ONE SPOT in this article.

I really don't care what some Time writer says... the movie was still good... and everyone wants to question 'why' it was good... MAYBE IT WAS JUST GOOD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zpalmese (talk • contribs) 12:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Geez, it was already mentioned and there's NO need to mention it TWICE! So I removed it. If whoever reproduced disputes it, we'll go from there. However I must say TIME is a major and highly respected publication, so even if I disagree with the comment, I can't say that it has no validity whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.91.92 (talk) 13:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I am quite surprised there is so much negativity toward this movie, and it is making me reconsidering my original perspective of the film. The women's vote does seem to be against it, and I respect that.JTWoodsworth (talk) 14:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

This still seems to be very biased in terms of how the article treats the film's success, with almost every line going along the lines of "despite its rampant sexism, the film somehow succeeded at the box office." Just report the facts, please.--Jbt1138 (talk) 12:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Soundtrack?

Does anyone know the songs that were playing at the club when Ben and Alison got together? --In Defense of the Artist 01:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

"All Night" by Damian Marley, "Smile" by Lily Allen, "Swing" by Savage ("he's doing the dice thing way too much!"), and finally "Rock Lobster" by the B-52s. ChesterG 08:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I knew I heard Ratatat! andie 08:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's appopriate to include the movie's song list within the article when there's a link you can go to for it if you check the references. ChesterG 05:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Only the Tip of the Cultural Reference Iceberg

There are far too many cultural references in this movie to list them all. Perhaps the most significant ones only should be listed. I'm specifically looking for the quote about marriage being like Everybody Loves Raymond but not funny. Does anyone have it? --In Defense of the Artist 18:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

"Marriage is like that show 'Everybody Loves Raymond,' but it's not funny. All the problems are the same but it's - you know - instead of all the funny, pithy dialogue, everybody's just really pissed off and tense. Marriage is like an unfunny, tense version of 'Everybody Loves Raymond.' But it doesn't last 22 minutes. It lasts forever." ChesterG 03:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Porn

I deleted the word "porn" before website because their site was not a porn site in the movie, it was a sight to inform the public where they could see nude scenes in movies. This is completely different from porn.

Response: How thoughtful of you. You have just made the page 10 fold better.

other Response: What are the URls of the 2 sites talked about in the film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.231.2 (talk) 00:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sexism

I have read many a blog about how sexist this movie is and have heard a lot of criticism of the movie's sexist attitudes, and I think this should be included on the wikipedia page. Just do a google search on "knocked up sexism" and you'll see what I mean.

[edit] Funny stuff

Did anyone else get the cultural reference that the Seacrest blow up in the movie connects to? I immediately thought of the Casey Kasem tirade that was caught on tape and use in the Negativeland single?

Anyone???

[edit] Cleanup

way too long and unclear.

[edit] Credits

Should it be mentioned that the ending credits depicted what was apparently the cast and crew and their babies/birth experiences? 70.130.129.89 22:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler Warning

Shouldnt a spoiler warning be placed above the plot?

Nope. See WP:SW#When_not_to_use_spoiler_warnings. --JYi 07:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't the plot have it's own section in the body?

I just readded it. Apparently it was removed after someone vandalized the page. --JYi 05:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] B.J Novak Is In It

Ive added this several times that B.J Novak is in it as a doctor they visit and it keeps being removed why? (JW)

It's a cameo role. He's only in the film for a few seconds. The same goes for Mo Collins, Paul Feig, and Craig Robinson. Pele Merengue 04:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] -> from article

Trivia

==Pop culture and movie references==

Knocked Up features heavy use of references to famous films, pop culture, and nudity in film.^[1]

Near the beginning of the movie, Ben can be seen wearing a t-shirt with a picture of Rob Zombie's album American Made Music to Strip By on it.
Paul Rudd's character can be seen wearing a Tom Waits t-shirt. This might also be a reference to Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, another movie where the Rain Dogs album cover appears.
The film Swingers is referenced as the main characters are heading towards Las Vegas. The film's most famous lines are blandly mentioned.
Two of the characters feign being wheelchair bound celebrities Larry Flynt and Stephen Hawking. In the same scene they also reference the documentary Murderball, which was about wheelchair bound rugby players.
Steve Carrell makes a cameo as himself during the film; a reference to The 40 Year Old Virgin, Judd Apatow's previous project which launched his film career.
Spider-Man 3 is frequently mentioned in the film, and actor James Franco makes a cameo (as himself) being interviewed for the film. Franco played Daniel Desario in the Apatow produced series Freaks and Geeks. ^[2]
Doc Brown is imitated by Ben Stone. This is one of a few other references to the film Back to the Future.
Popular website Mr. Skin is mentioned as a crucial plot point.
A White Stripes poster is seen on the wall in Ben Stone's home. The band was mentioned in a presumably cut line from the "time travel" scene where Pete says that he would sign the band if able to go back in time.^[3] Incidentally band member Jack White was cast as Elvis in Judd Apatow's upcoming project: Walk Hard.
Ryan Seacrest plays an obnoxious version of himself as a host for an E! television show, and mentions American Idol.
Fantasy baseball is played by one of the supporting characters.
A Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas poster can be seen in Ben Stone's room.
Pete, played by Paul Rudd, compares marriage with Everybody Loves Raymond, a popular television show. Rudd's character in The 40 Year Old Virgin also mentions the show.
The film Wild Things, famous for its nude lesbian sex scene between Denise Richards and Neve Campbell, is shown in the film twice.
Annie Proulx's Brokeback Mountain is seen in the bookstore scene, a possible foreshadowing or callback to a deleted scene mentioned in the production notes below.
In The Cut is referenced as the film Meg Ryan first appeared nude in a film and all the exact timings in which they occur in the film.
Matthew Fox, an actor from the Lost television series is mentioned and ridiculed by Ben Stone during coffee with Alison Scott.
Cirque du Soleil is attended by two of the film's protagonists.
Munich is mentioned during a discussion as a film that reversed the stereotype of Jews depicted as victims.
Ben's roommate takes on a bet which forces him to avoid shaving his facial hair which leads to ridicule and comparisons to Chewbacca, Serpico, Cat Stevens, Richard Reid, John Lennon, Martin Scorsese, and others.
Total Recall is referenced because of the film's three breasted alien women. The film was also referenced by Jay Baruchel in an episode of Undeclared written by Seth Rogen.
During the beginning of the film, Ben can be seen giving the Crotch Chop, made famous by the World Wrestling Entertainment's tag team stable D-Generation X.
Paul Rudd mentions Taxicab Confessions when asked to watch his kids.
A poster for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is seen in the baby's room.
A Pink Floyd poster can be seen in the roommates' house.
A U2 poster[1] is seen behind Ben's friends when they are talking about pink eye.

Moved this large non-encyclopaedic section from the article per WP:TRIVIA. Matthew 17:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know you could hide long lists of trivia on Talk pages like that. Cool. I'll have to use that elsewhere. No the article should not have an extensive Trivia section. However, the film was noted for its use of popular culture references. A paragraph (with sources) about that is entirely appropriate. For instance, the Village Voice says, "Ultimately, what makes Knocked Up a terrific film—one of the year's best, easily—is its relaxed, shaggy vibe" [2] Part of that vibe was throwing in references to popular culture, as per USA Today: "What makes the movie so winning are its endearing and relatable characters who spout believable dialogue and amusing banter, steeped in clever pop-culture references and sharp observations of human nature" [3]. Do we need a list of every prop or reference spotted by audience members? No. But the article could note things that reliable sources like Variety noted, such as "The characters repeatedly reference "Spider-Man 3" -- which, come summer, will be playing next door in the megaplex " [4]. If added, this would help explain why the reviewers gave it the reception it got. Canuckle 19:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

I've fully protected the page for 48 hours due to edit warring. Please take this time to have a discussion on further edits to the article once the protection expires. Please do note resort back to edit warring. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

What's with the protection? What happened? ChesterG 00:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Apparently there's a huge argument over whether or not this article should have a trivia section. --Potato dude42 20:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I hereby nominate this as a Lame Edit War! (If that is the reason for the war...) --Sentinel75 10:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Why should this be treated unlike all others? Most articles get a "Trivia" section. Who says this shouldn't? ChesterG 09:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It shouldn't be treated differently. All those other articles shouldn't have a trivia section! Point me to an example article, and I'll remove the trivia section or merge the material into the main article. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot too long tag

I moved the tag because it was causing a very large whitespace to appear at the very beginning of the first section. Dreadstar † 05:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why it was on in the first place! I've removed it. There's nothing wrong with it. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Please don't. This article should not be just a long rehash of the plot. It's pointless in its overly long state. See WP:PLOT. I will trim it down as needed when I get the chance. --Merbabu 14:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: Done --Merbabu 14:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Freaks & Geeks + SNL

I just noticed many persons from the series Freaks and geeks and Saturday night live was in this movie :) maybe some trivia or something :D CHANDLER talk 07:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Behind the scenes" mockumentary/viral video

Did anyone see the "behind the scenes" clip, claiming that, amongst others, Michael Cera was considered for the lead role? Should this be commented and verified as real or, more likely, a hoax? See: http://digg.com/videos/comedy/Michael_Cera_gets_fired_from_Knocked_Up_ 192.229.17.103 10:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The director, Judd Apatow, said in interviews that this was a fake. It's just for entertainment. It's on the DVD (disc 2: "Finding Ben Stone"). Cera acts as himself, getting fired from the movie. About 20 other actors (including James Franco, Orlando Bloom, Justin Long, Gerry Bednob, Bill Hader and Allen Covert) were "fired" until they found Seth Rogen to play Ben (Franco and Hader not totally fired, but "demoted to smaller parts"). In the fake documentary, the last person to try out for the part of Ben is Apatow himself. Further evidence of the doc being fake is that Apatow still used Michael Cera for the next film his produced Superbad. They probably wouldn't work together again if they had a fight like that on a previous movie. ChesterG 05:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DVD Releases

I added a section in the article about the various DVD Releases. It is just about when the various versions were released, not including any specific details. I would appreciate it if anyone wants to add in the specific details about special features.Dcs315 (talk) 20:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mistakes

I'm not sure the incident mentioned in this section is truly a mistake. I believe the Seth Rogen's character was only joking when he said that his new apartment was in East L.A. Images of his apartment earlier in the film did not fit with the neighborhood he was describing in that scene, and I think the image of the car driving up the coast was there to show that he was, indeed, just kidding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.95.236.186 (talk) 01:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it is not a mistake.
There's some banter prior to the aerial shot of the car that supports this: After Ben tells Alison that his apartment is in East LA, they joke about whether they will join the Crips or the Bloods based on how they look in red or blue. Ben suggests that they could surprise everyone and join the Latin Kings. It seems that joking about joining a gang is the response to the joke that Ben's apartment is in East LA.
68.204.69.114 (talk) 15:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character Descriptions

It is entirely unnecessary to have those descriptions after each character's name. If the character was important, then they were mentioned in the synopsis. The descriptions make the section look sloppy. I appreciate what you were trying to do, but it just makes the article sound redundant. Sorry, man. Rwiggum (talk) 19:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

If you want to move info to the synopsis, that is fine, but do not just delete relevant info.--Patrick (talk) 21:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't delete relevant info; I deleted info that had already been given in the article. There is no need to repeat it, and it reflects poorly on the page. Rwiggum (talk) 21:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Who Ben's friends are was not already in the article.--Patrick (talk) 21:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

But describing unimportant characters and jokes has no place there. Rwiggum (talk) 22:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

If a character is worth mentioning in whatever section, it is much better to say how he/she fits in the story, it is very meagre to just give the name.--Patrick (talk) 23:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. If someone is interested enough to find out who a minor character is, they can simply click on the actor's page to find out. Rwiggum (talk) 23:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It is nice if the info is there too, but it is often not there. You failed to move the deleted info there!--Patrick (talk) 23:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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