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"The "consensus" that wikipedia's articles on classical musicians should not use infoboxes is also based on an extremely outdated series of running discussions which strike me as poorly-organised and difficult to follow; in much the same way as these TfD noms, later parts of the discussion build on the "consensus" of earlier threads such that the actual body of unified editors who are clearly and unequivocally selecting one choice based solely on the evidence and not under the pressure of prior 'consensus', is much smaller than it at first appears."

". . . consensus can change generally over a much shorter timeframe than the ten months since the most recent substantial discussion on the subject."

"The use of shaky precedent and ancient consensus to supress discussion on this issue must stop."

[edit] Posting

At the Tfd Jay, Folantin, RobertG, User:Belovedfreak, Berig, Mscuthbert, Libs and myself noted that there had been multiple discussions about biographical infoboxes. (This was unchallenged so no specific references ('diffs' in wiki-speak) were provided.)

The following archives document the various infobox discussions:

• 1. 11 to 17 April then 25 April to 1 May 07: [1], [2], [3], [4] (Composers Project)

• 2. 28 to 29 April 07: [5] (Opera Project)

• 3. 16 to 22 May 07: [6] (scroll down), [7] (Composers Project)

• 4. 28 May to 16 June 07: [8] (Composers Project)

• 5. 17 to 21 June 07: [9], [10], [11] (Opera Project)

• 6. 7 to 13 September 07: [12] (Composers Project)

• 7. 7 September to 4 October 07: [13] (Classical Music Project)

• 8. 8 to 10 March 08: [14] (Classical Music Project)

• 9. 14 March to 1 April 08: [15] (Classical Music Project)

• 10. 7 to 13 May 08: [16] (Composers Project)

Despite this, the closing statement refers to

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• Composers Project:
  • 11 to 17 April then 25 April to 1 May 07: [17], [18], [19], [20]
  • 16 to 22 May 07: [21] (scroll down), [22]
  • 28 May to 16 June 07: [23]
  • 7 to 13 September 07: [24]
  • 7 to 13 May 08: [25]

• Opera Project:
  • 28 to 29 April 07: [26]
  • 17 to 21 June 07: [27], [28], [29]

• Classical Music Project:
  • 7 September to 4 October 07: [30]
  • 8 to 10 March 08: [31]
  • 14 March to 1 April 08: [32]

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IMPORTANT NOTE: This is my talk page and although I normally do not, I can remove anything from this page w/o archiving it. See WP:USER

Three sentence stub:

• Didone abbandonata
• Faust and Marguerite
• Michael Sylvester

• Siegfried Schoenbohm
• Volpone (opera)

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Northwesterner1, Pete, MarnetteD, Cygnis insignis, Nrswanson, S.dedalus, Myke Cuthbert, Kleinzach, Padraic, Rettetast, Wanderer57, Lexicon, Lini, AStanhope, Espresso Addict, Voceditenore, Sandstein , Kaldari, Ssilvers, NVO, GuillaumeTell, Aboutmovies, Mitico, Peter cohen, PamD, Fishal, hahnch, penubag, Сасусlе, Johnbod, Jaksmata, Shanes, Billscottbob, Bobak, User talk:TJRC, SilkTork, User:Cherry blossom tree, User talk:Sensevivid

DoubleBlue, Jobjörn, Garion96, Phil Sandifer, Mangostar, Lincolnite, LtPowers, Howcheng, Omegatron, BrownHairedGirl, CComMack, Johnleemk, Terraxos, Bkonrad, Sherool, Sceptre, Jauerback (17).

Guroadrunner, User:GregManninLB

[edit] Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Image placeholders

Would it be possible for an uninvolved and impartial admin(s) to close this centralized discussion?

I set up the discussion on 11 April, following a proposal (to suspend use of the image placeholder graphic on article pages) here. It was widely notified through WP (as a centralized discussion, RFC, on the Signpost and various projects). More than 50 editors participated in often heated exchanges about this controversial issue. The discussion closed by agreement on 23 April. Conclusions were debated between 23 April and 11 May.

None of us involved in the process had prior experience of managing a centralized discussion and it has been difficult for those concerned to manage the procedure with a view to securing a successful outcome, given the lack of general guidelines and the inevitable difficult of applying WP:Consensus to such a large and polarized group of people.

Please note I have no intention of criticizing any of my fellow editors here (or indeed of replying to any personal attacks). I think it is time to hand over the discussion to neutral and disinterested parties. Is this the right place to make that request?