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[edit] Kirkuk is Turkmen
The city of kirkuk and more importantly the province of kirkuk is Turkmen. The ottoman empire Thankyou
Dear Sir
Although It is important that you did not mentioned that Kirkuk city is a Kurdish city as most of the encyclopedia do. But it is unfair to talk about the Turkmen city Kirkuk and present such information (The Kurds have identified Kirkuk as their preferred capital in any new Kurdish state) without to touch the Turkmen of Iraq.
While the Kurds invested the cities of northern Iraq and robbed what they met in the latter several centuries (Edger O'balance - in his book Kurdish revolt). They invest the western literature in the later century and introduce forged information in. This made many well known international writers and journalists repeat what the Kurdish writers publish and what the Kurdish politicians say without investigation.
Dear sir
Kirkuk is not Kurdish city and was never Kurdish city.it was built from the assyrians from the first stone to the last one. but after the kurds massacre of the assyrians they become larger than the assyrians in numbers in the city. this also happened to arbil(the 4 gods city)
The followings are some of thousands of reliable references about the Kirkuk city:
References:
(1)Hanna Batatu in his book titled “The old social classes and the Revolutionary Movements of Iraq”, (Princeton University Press, New Jersey 1978), p. 913, mentions: “Kerkuk had been Turkish through and through in the not too distant past”. “Kerkuk, an oil center, lying 180 miles north of Baghdad, had been Turkish through and through in the not too distant past. By degrees, Kurds moved into the city from the surrounding villages. With the growth of the oil industry, their migration intensified. By 1959, they had swollen to more than one third of the population, and the Turkmen had declined to just over half, the Assyrians and Arabs accounting, in the main, for the rest of the total of 120,000.4 Other Turkish towns, such as Arbil, had undergone a similar process: Arbil itself was in such as Arbil, had undergone a similar process: Arbil itself was in great measure Kurdified, and the change occurred peacefully. But the Kerkuklis, who maintained close cultural links with Turkey, were of a tougher fiber and united by a stronger sense of ethnic identity”. D. McDowall in his book titled “A Modern History of the Kurds”, I.B.Tauris & Co Ltd Publishers 1996, London & New York, page 305, mentions: “In mid July 1959, another serious disturbance occurred; this time in Kerkuk, a town waiting to explode, once again, the spark was a rally by leftists. It will be recalled that the IPC in the north preponderantly Kurdish. Tension had been growing for some time between Turkmen, the originally predominant element, and Kurds who had settled during the 1930s and 1940s, driven from the land by landlord rapacity and drawn by the chance for employment in the burgeoning oil industry. By 1959 half the populations of 150,000 were Turkmen, rather less than half were Kurds and the balance Arabs, Assyrians and Armenians.”
(2) D. McDowall in his book titled “A Modern History of the Kurds”, I.B.Tauris & Co Ltd Publishers 1996, London & New York, page 144, mentions: “The towns and villages along the high road running from Mosul to Baghdad were mainly Turkish speaking, being Turkmen”, “But, as the commission noted, the Kurd ‘is taking possession of the arable and in “Kurdizing” certain towns’ specially the Turkmen’s ones of the high road”
(3) Edger O’balance in his book titled “The Kurdish Revolt”, page 33 mentions: “right up until the end of the 19th century the sight of a large tribal federation, with all its livestock, moving across the mountains and plains of the northern parts of the Middle East in search of fresh grazing, was both splendid and ominous - as nomadic Kurds moved like a plague of locusts, feeding and feuding”.
(4) William R. Hay in his book titled “Two Years in Kurdistan 1918 – 1920”, (William Clowes and Sons, Limited, London and Beccles 1921), page 82 -83 mentions: “The only 2 Turkish speaking populations which concern us closely are Erbil and Altun Kopri”. “One mahalla or quarter of the town is purely Kurdish, and in the rest the lower classes resemble the Kurds in appearance and dress. All can speak Kurdish fluently, but the language of their homes is Turkish. In the upper town which contain 6000 inhabitants, the purest Turkish element is found”. In the page 77 Mr Hay mentions: Dizai tribe descended from the hills about 3 centuries ago, and occupied a few villages round Qush Tappah. In the middle half of the 19th century they started to expand, and rapidly covered the whole country up to Tigris. In the late 1920s, they constitute one third of the Erbil district population.
another two important article can be found in the following addresses: 1. http://members.lycos.nl/kerkuk/ 2. http://members.lycos.nl/kerkuk/ed6.html
The following Article (http://members.lycos.nl/kerkuk/ed7.html) written in Arabic and unfortunately, there is no English translation, contains important information about the Kurds which the western community remained not informed.
- Hi there. There isn't a "Dear Sir" to write to about this article. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Anyone can edit a page, including you, if you think your contribution can improve the article. In fact, we encourage you ro do so, if you have the time. We have a strict policy called neutral point of view which discusses how disputed issues are to be dealt with. We want to write articles with which people on all sides of a disputed issue agree fairly represent agreed facts and accurately represents all sides of the dispute. --Robert Merkel 11:20 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)
you turks are trying to occupy all of kurdish lands. but that will be a wrong dream. turkic people are just newly migrants from central asia near mongolia and are ethnicaly related to mongols. their history is very short and less than 10 centuries. kurds have a very long history and their history in the region dates back to 5000 years ago. they had their first big empire (medes empire) 2700 years ago. as you see according to thausands of documents turkic people had no history in the region before this 10 centuries. so don't try to hide the clear facts. KIRKUK has been a KURDISH city far before turkmens migrated to the area from central asia and will be a KURDISH city forever. turkmens can live happily beside kurds and kurds will respect their rights like their brothers and sisters. TURKMENs have not to be decieved by TURKISH government as they can't give them PEACE. if turkmens want to live happily and in peace they should help kurds and not stand against them. turkish goverment is only following itsown profits and not turkmen's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awyer (talk • contribs) 11:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Recent edits
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TO ALL READERS All information in Wikipedia fabricated and does not worth to read .I think they get money from Kurdish group to change the facts.
Fake information about Kirkuk , wikipedia owners are kurds.
Robert Merkel how much you got paid by Kurds you look like a good puppy of kurds.
Mr merkel i am very sorry, for this turkmens insulting remarks but then what can you expect from a descendent of the savage holako (a illegitiamte grandson of genghis khans)
[edit] Category: Assyria
I would like to know why the category Assyria is allowed while category Kurdistan is being removed? Is there exact boundaries for Assyria? As far as I remember that's the main reason given for removing the Kurdistan category. Heja Helweda 22:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Kirkuk was founded as a city by ancient Assyrians, therefore its fitting that Category:Assyria is there (you will notice that Category:Assyrians, the category that deals with the modern-day Assyrians, is not present). Kurdistan, however, has vaguely defined borders, so that's why the Kurdistan category is (was) being removed. I've replaced the Kurdistan category for the reason I just stated with Category:Kurds as there is a sizeable Kurdish population in Kirkuk. --3345345335534 15:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
In all fairness, Kirkuk can technically also be defined as being in an ancient area called Assyria, Mesopotamia (which is better defined as the area in and around the Tigris and Euphrates), and the Fertile Crescent. I may be forgetting some more "regions," but the point I'm trying to make is that they often overlap or compose parts of each other. Why Kurdistan has special preference in the first sentence over all the other, more ancient names, I don't know. I would like to see that changed. --3345345335534 00:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge?
I'm suggesting that Arrapha be merged into this article. Any thoughts? --3345345335534 15:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Done. --3345345335534 00:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV pushing
Hi, this article from AP, page two, last parapgrapg states: The last ethnic-breakdown census in Iraq was conducted in 1957, well before Saddam began his program to move Arabs to Kirkuk. That count showed 178,000 Kurds, 48,000 Turkomen, 43,000 Arabs and 10,000 Assyrian-Chaldean Christians living in the city. [3]. This is in contrast with the claims in your article. Thanks.
Hi, in reference to the two remarks mentioned above, thank you for your input, although some mistakes should be pointed out. In the first remark, the gentleman stated that Turkomen and Arabs took over housing through the "Arabization" program of the Baath regime. In fact, it was only the Arabs (mostly shiite from the south) who were brought into Kirkuk. Kurds, Turkomens and Assyrian-Chaldeans were forcibly removed. In reference to the second remark, the population figures are correct, although they are for Kirkuk Province (renamed Tamim by the Baath regime) and not for Kirkuk town, which is the city under debate. The 1957 census figures showed that the "city" of Kirkuk was made up of 40% Turkomens, 35% Kurds, 24% Arabs. Thanks.139.184.30.19 01:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
kirkuk is turkmencity
Dear sirs if the kirkuk is not kurdish city. why all the lands was confiscated by former regim belong to Turkmes not to Kurks?.
zaynal - kirkuk
[edit] Sister City?
I noticed Dallas Texas was listed as a sister city to Kirkuk, why is that?
68.183.67.83 21:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Tia
