Talk:Kevin Keegan

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Contents 1 Incident in a lay-by 2 Quotes 3 GA failed 4 Lead will need changing 5 Won his first game under Stoke 6 Irish descent category

[edit] Incident in a lay-by

Some time back in the 1990s Keegan was assauled with a baseball bat by two people; he was parked up in a lay-by in Reigate in his Range Rover and was apparently sleeping at the time. This was a minor news item but it was pre-internet so I can't find a definitive source. It's an odd little incident that seems to have sparked a lot of rumour.

One newspaper ran a cartoon with keegan saying to his assailants "on me head son"

Rumour is right - I reckon this whole thing is an urban myth. I've heard wildly varying dates for the occurrence of this "incident" (mid 1980s through early 1990s), and the details of what supposedly happened are pretty vague as well. (In one of the versions I heard, Keegan was the one wielding the baseball bat!) There's usually a strong implication that homosexual shenanigans were on the agenda.

Without a definitive source (even a newspaper cutting) to go on, I'm happy to leave this one to the conspiracy theorists. :-) 203.46.65.16 11:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The incident definitely occured some time in the early 1990's and was reported in the Surrey Mirror at the time (but sadly I don't keep reference copies). The car park is still referred to by some as the Kevin Keegan Car Park for want of a better name. Pontificake 22:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's true...

FORMER ENGLAND SOCCER CAPTAIN ASSAULTED, ROBBED. 9 April 1991 Reuters News

LONDON, April 9, Reuter - Former England soccer captain Kevin Keegan was assaulted with a baseball bat and robbed of cash as he slept in his car overnight, police said on Tuesday.

Keegan was returning to his home in Hampshire, southern England, from a trip to Spain and had pulled off a motorway crossing the neighbouring county of Surrey to sleep. But about midnight he was woken by two men. One hit him on the head and mouth with the bat and demanded cash. Keegan handed over an undisclosed sum, Surrey police said, and the two men fled on foot.

Keegan managed to drive from the car park and stopped a passing motorist who informed the police. The former Liverpool star and England soccer captain was taken by ambulance early on Tuesday to a nearby hospital where doctors stitched cuts to a head wound and then released him.

THREE JAILED FOR ROBBING EX-FOOTBALLER KEVIN KEEGAN. 10 August 1991 The Independent - London

Three men were sentenced to three years in custody yesterday for robbing Kevin Keegan, the former England football captain, after attacking him with a baseball bat while he lay sleeping in his Range Rover. The former Liverpool star had parked in a car park off the M25 at Reigate Hill, Surrey, to rest during his drive back from a holiday in Spain, Guildford Crown Court was told. Martin Bell, 21, of Southdown Road, Newhaven, East Sussex, Edmund Poole, 20, of South Road, Newhaven, and Darrell Briggs, 18, of Beresford Road, Newhaven, all admitted robbery. It was ordered that Poole and Briggs should serve their sentences in a young offenders' institution while Bell should be sent to prison.

[edit] Quotes

This section has suddenly become rather overblown. Surely only a few of the more "amusing" quotes need be given here with a link to Its a Funny Old Game where most of them have come from. Daemonic Kangaroo 13:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I was considering doing it myself and decided it would be best to come to the talk page. We can leave the first... 6 or so and then just have a link to the rest. -Painezor ^TC 23:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] GA failed

• Lead needs to be more substantial. Keegan has had a very long and successful and at times controversial career. Needs to show career evolution
• For such a famous person in a football mad country, I would be surprised if there was not some info about his early years. The bio starts at age 20, and there is no information before this.
• Liverpool section
  • Needs a lot more sources
  • Journalistic style of writing is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. eg, "albeit with a completely mis-hit shot which was all he could muster after he miscontrolled a pass from Peter Thompson. He quickly established himself as a brave, pacey, incisive goalscorer and fan favourite" - should be sourced or attributed to commentators or a group of commentators.
  • Don't user contractions
  • Redundant commentary like "more importantly for Keegan, started him on his way to 63 caps" - This is implicit as it is his debut.
  • Use of nicknames like "Tosh" - inappropraite
  • POV unattributed comments "They were Liverpool's Dynamic Duo"..."Sadly for Keegan"
  • Hyperbole "Keegan scored two as Liverpool hammered Newcastle United 3-0 - his first a terrific chest-down and volley from 25 yards after Brian Hall had fooled the Newcastle defence by diving under the ball; his second a far-post stretch and tap-in after great work down the flank between Tommy Smith and Steve Heighway."
• There are more examples of emotional adjetives and hyperbole

• If he was twice Euro PLayer of the year at Hamburg, then one would expect more than one short para, especially if they reached the final of the European Cup.
• Southampton section unsourced. First para is POV, and so forth. Speculation about infigithing needs to be sourced, per BLP.
• More hyperbole like "was adored by the supporters"

Onto the coaching career

• The England coaching part definitely needs to be more detailed, especially with the media over there and the Euro2000 kerfuffle.
• Some stints are very thinly covered.
• personal life needs to be better integrated..Put related events together into a paragrpah.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lead will need changing

"At every club that he managed, he won promotion as champions in his first season" - he can't do that with a club already in the Premier League. Unless he wins the title this year(!) it will be completely inaccurate anyway. 81.158.0.164 (talk) 16:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The statement is still true; this is not his first season with Newcastle.--Mas 18 dl (talk) 19:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Won his first game under Stoke

Can this be edited straight away please as the 2nd half has just kicked off and we don't want to jinx anything or tempt fate.

Never mind I can see this has now been done.

[edit] Irish descent category

Not cited as usual. Can this be removed or sourced? And no, a name does not prove ethnicity. Just ask Eddie Murphy or Will Smith..... 86.17.211.191 (talk) 02:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)