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[edit] Various info that could be added
Once edited a publication called "Heretic".
This contains quite a few names to follow up on;
LOC also contains an interview with Kerry Bolton, a New Zealand-based Satanist who is trying to popularize fascism inside pop culture with a series of small journals like Key of Alocer, The Nexus and The Flaming Sword. His essays have also appeared in The Black Flame and Filosofem. In one of his writings Bolton even calls the Futurist (and later Fascist) Filippo Marinetti a forerunner of "Industrial Culture". His publications also feature Moynihan, R. N. Taylor, Boyd Rice, Kadmon, and others like them. In his interview in LOC, Bolton denounces Christianity in classic "right meets left" jargon as:
Bolton also leads an overtly fascist magical sect called the Black Order. The Black Order's New Zealand address is conveniently reprinted in an illustration in LOC.One product of the Magian [i.e. Jewish-KC] infection of Western culture, the others being plutocracy, liberalism, globalism, egalitarianism. and so forth...Since the thrust of the present civilization in its phase of senility is towards a global plutocracy, with the plutocrats and globalists utilizing con-sumerism and multi-culturalism to break down the different nations and cultures and archetypes upon which they are based, it is fitting that "new" forms of Satanism are emerging with a nativist heathen basis to challenge this globalism.
Links:
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- Post by Michael Aquino in which he mentions Bolton (in unfavourable terms) also: a related post
- [3] Satanism in NZ
- Search for bolton, has links to stuff under the OLHP/OSV/OSA section
Groups:
- Order of Nine Angles (ONA)
- Ordo Sinistra Vivendi (OSV) founded by Bolton after leaving the ToS, renaming of OLHP?
This is a bit of a confusing web of ideas. porges 01:56, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
Appears to be asssociated with the Adelaide Institute: http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters/dissenters.htm According to a post on the Stormfront forums, he has worked with the Arktion Federation.
According to [4]
- Bolton claimed in a letter to the Evening Post (27th May 2000) that "The Holocaust allegation was contrived jointly by the World Jewish Congress and the Stalinist Jewish Anti-Facist Committee."
- Bolton was former leader of the NZ Fascist Union.
Letter by Bolton on the NZNF forums: [5]
Letter by Bolton to NZ Listener: [6]
Press release by Bolton: [7]
[edit] Other activities
- He is also active as a writer, as the owner of the Renaissance Press, and as publisher of The Nexus and other periodicals.[8][9][10][11] Mr Bolton was also "national spokesman" for the political party called the Fascist Union back in the early 90's.
This is from the " New Zealand National Front" article. We should include more about Bolton's writing/publishing activities in this article. Among the works that he wrote and published is a defense of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion against charges of fraud. -Willmcw 20:44, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Sources
I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, particularly negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.
Please do not reinsert this material unless you can provide reliable citations, and can ensure it is written in a neutral tone. Please review the relevant policies before editing in this regard. Editors should note that failure to follow this policy may result in the removal of editing privileges.--Docg 00:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Why are these links considered unreliable sources? [12][13][14]. Why was the bibliography of his books deleted? -Will Beback · † · 00:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Because you can't reference a claim like that from a critical site. Find a neutral source - like a newspaper report or something. The bibliography was not deleted. The deleted material can be replaced if it is verified. But with biographies of living people and negative claim need watertight verification.--Docg 01:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- The Adelaide Institute is not a critical site. It's a sympathetic, pro-Holocaust Denial site. They've got a special archive just for Bolton.
- The bibliography was deleted without explanation. [15].
- Proposed sources:
- Renaissance Press Catalogue
- also here: [16]
- Open letter to The Germany Embassy by Kerry Bolton
- How Black is Black Metal? by Kevin Coogan (This Article first appeared at the Print Magazine HITLIST, February/March 1999)
- Looking Backward by Martin A. Lee, [SPLC]
- Revisionism? A blog by an N.Z. Ph.D. involved with Holocause revisionism, writing within the area of his expertise.
- Letter to the Editor by Kerry Bolton, reprinted on AAARGH
- Do these pass muster? -Will Beback · † · 02:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Because you can't reference a claim like that from a critical site. Find a neutral source - like a newspaper report or something. The bibliography was not deleted. The deleted material can be replaced if it is verified. But with biographies of living people and negative claim need watertight verification.--Docg 01:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
(Unindenting the awful bulleting...) I have to agree with the Doc on this one. The vast majority of the content that Doc Glasgow removed was, if unsourced and unverified, libelous and should not be reinserted into the article, while the rest was simply unsourced. In particular, unsourced and rather improbably claims such as Bolton having conceived a Jewish child, etc., beyond all doubt need a source if they're to merit inclusion in the article. Otherwise they appear as either gossip or intentional libel. As for the bit on holocaust denial, I don't believe the Adelaide Institute to be a sufficiently reliable source, and I'm having difficulty finding anywhere in Bolton's writings where he explicitly expresses denial of the hollocaust. I'll look a bit more closely at the sources you provided above, but at the moment all I see are interpretive claims about what the sources state. If you could perhaps post some more specific quotations from your provided references, that would be much appreciated. Thanks. AmiDaniel (talk) 09:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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- We should indeed be very careful in applying labels to individuals. However these sources provide ample support, both in the subject's own words and in the opinions of others, for the categorization of this individual under "Holocaust denial".
- Bolton: ...Leuchter's findings have been replicated, chemical analysis showing that the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz do not have sufficient traces of 'Prussian Blue' residue from Zyklon gas. The allegations concerning mass gassings are as credible as the testimony and documents that accused the Germans of the Katyn massacre. I would ask, what of all the documents, testimony and confessions relating to the gassings supposed to have taken place at the camps in Germany and Austria, such as Dachau, which were finally conceded during the 1960s not to have taken place? ... What of the hurt done by this Blood Libel to the Germans, increasingly to other Europeans and even the Vatican, and of course to the Palestinians?[17] [Note: Bolton consider the allegations of a Holocaust committed by the Germans to be a "Blood Libel"].
- Bolton: The perpetrator of the contrived first Ukrainian famine was Khalatov, and of the second Kaganovich. More died in that genocide (7,000,000-10,000,000) than Jews who died in the German enemy alien internment camps due to typhus and food shortages. [18] [Arguing that Jews caused a greater catastrophe in Ukraine than occured in the "German enemy alien internment camps".]
- Bolton: Holocaust myth - its genesis and development. [19]
- Hayward: New Zealand's leading revisionist activist, Mr Kerry Bolton -- publisher of Western Destiny magazine, author of The Holocaust Myth: A Sceptical Enquiry (2000) and The Zionist War Party (2003), head of Renaissance Press, and an associate of Dr Fredrick Toeben's Adelaide Institute ... [20]
- SPLC: Since his death, Yockey has emerged as the patron saint of the Holocaust-denial circuit and a cult figure among white supremacists worldwide...For several years, Kerry Bolton, a New Zealand-based publisher of Yockey's writings, has been advocating a bizarre fusion of occultism and fascist politics.[21]
- Bolton does not shy away from publically defending his belief that the Holocaust is a myth. -Will Beback · † · 10:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- We should indeed be very careful in applying labels to individuals. However these sources provide ample support, both in the subject's own words and in the opinions of others, for the categorization of this individual under "Holocaust denial".
- I've not time to go through this now. But some of those sites are no way reliable sources. If we can verify stuff, there is no problem in reinserting it eventually, but given that this biography has been violating policy for months, I see no rush here.--Docg 11:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Please stiop inserting external links. I've reverted you while we talk about this.--Docg 21:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I'd be happy to discuss them. I've presented a list of sources I found which appear to be reliable. Let's talk about which ones we can use. -Will Beback · † · 23:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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Here's another couple of sources sources for future reference.
- Searchlight acts to stop Tesco sale of Nazi books, 25 November 2005
- Co-opting the counter culture: Troy Southgate and the National Revolutionary Faction apparently illegally copied here: http://www.new-right.org/?p=53.
The last appears to have been published in an academic journal, presumably peer-reviewed. -Will Beback · † · 08:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What if...?
What if, however, the material that is cited as being unreferenced and "negative" actually comes from intimate personal knowledge of the person in question, having known that person for a number of years. If this was provided to someone else, then the original person in question would be the "source" and "reference" on their own? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.1.163.77 (talk) 05:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
