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It’s somewhat fascinating but expected, the 60’s exposed the student body to communism, feminism, and capitalism (probably in that order). After the Taliban, it’s back to progression: math, chemistry, physics, biology, computer science. Obviously not a culture that wants to live in the stone age.

Anonymous

the informaion in this page is some what biased. Hopefully those who submite in future take in consideration all aspects of the issue and set aside their own believes to insure that facts have been stated. Kabul university was a battle ground; there is no doubt about that. but if you look to what happened all around the university campuss, you will come to appreciate the efforts those controling the campus put fort to save the university. If the trees are still standing to bear the scares of war, thats because some one cared enough to insure they stand there. the part of Kabul city where the university campus is located used to have alot of trees on its streets before the war, but except the Univerisy campus there arent many trees left there now.

A Reader

Contents 1 Identification 2 Da Kabul Pohantoon 3 Pashto and Dari 4 Official Bilingualism 4.1 Sources 5 Communist/Socialist slant..

[edit] Identification

Is this the same school also called "Habibiyah University"? Im not sure. Anyone?--Zereshk 00:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

This is not the same with Habibiyah University.... Habibiyah is not a University... it's only for high school..

- Tina_C

[edit] Da Kabul Pohantoon

For those who can read Pashto/Farsi/Arabic/Urdu/etc, please confirm that the Kabul University seal on the article contains text that reads "Da Kabul Pohantoon". Certain users refuse to see this, but it is right there in front of them. --Kitabi420 (talk) 17:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pashto and Dari

The university has a single official name, "Da Kabul Pohantoon". However, I think both the Pashto and Dari names should be present on the article. That is a compromise. I do not buy into the argument that Kabul is a Persian speaking city and therefore we should unilaterally change the university's official name here. First off, Kabul is an extremely diverse, multi-ethnic, multi-lingual city. So the first part of the argument falls flat. Secondly, the university's official name as written on the official seal is "Da Kabul Pohantoon". Therefore it makes absolutely no sense to omit the OFFICIAL name of the school based on a false premise and a few editors' blatant bias towards Pashto and those who speak it. Problem resolved. --Kitabi420 (talk) 18:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Interesting article: Politicians Argue Over Language of Schooling in Kabul

There is obviously people (even students) who speak Pashto in Kabul. Since both are official languages both should be listed. (Or neither since this is an English encyclopedia). --MarsRover (talk) 05:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

There is also people that speak (in their homes) Uzbek language, Turkmen language, Nuristani languages, Baloch language, Pashaii language, etc. We can't list all the minority languages and Pashto is a minority language in Kabul city. The small number that speak the language in their homes is very small and they do not speak Pashto outside of their homes as all the minorities use Dari/Persian to communicate with each other, thus we should only have Persian name listed for Kabul university, not the Uzbeki, Pashto, Balochi, etc name.

There are only two official languages, right? And what does official mean? --MarsRover (talk) 06:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes there are only two languages declared official. Persian is the language of Kabul and east and north and Pashto is the language of the south and east. These are two most spoken languages in Afghainstan. But if that is reason to include Pashto, then in that case we should place Persian in all the universities of Pashto-speaking cities such as Kandahar University, Khost University, Nangarhar University, etc. Of coarse the very people who would argue for Pashto being included in Kabul University would strongly object to Persian being in Pashto-speaking cities' universities for the reason that Persian is not commonly spoken there.

[edit] Official Bilingualism

Afghanistan seems very similar to Canada with respect to having multiple official languages. The line between Pukhto and Dari speakers in Afghanistan, particularly in major cities such as Kabol, is virtually non-existent. The communities have been mixed for some time, and both languages have been part of school curriculum, along with other languages such as English, French, Arabic, etc. As such, bilingualism is practically everywhere.

This university, if memory serves, was established under the tenure of Muhammed Zahir by his uncle. So far as this institution's name is concerned, unless there is a legal/official renaming ceremony, then the name remains what it was from the beginning. Though new to Wiki-Pedia, I must say that I have questions about the validity of information provided here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EduardoGuerez (talk • contribs) 17:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

As someone mentioned above, according to that reasoning then universities in Pashto-speaking cities should also have their Persian title in their articles. Though I am sure you would strongly object to that due to your hypocritical Afghan-nationalist mentality.

Kabul is a Persian Speaking city. Even the Pashtuns in Kabul are Persian speaking so please stop adding Da Pohantun Kabul. --Anoshirawan 22:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

So what exactly is your criteria? What percent of people need to speak the language and what source do you have for that percent? Or, do you simply have a "point of view" that its not important? --MarsRover (talk) 01:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Anoshirawan is right, according to Encylopedia Britannica, Kabul is a Persian-speaking city:

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Kabul's population is mainly Persian- (Dari-) speaking...[1]

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Also according to Encyclopedia Britannica:

“

Kabul University, or Kabul Pohantoon...[2]

”

Therefore, your source has been nullified with regards to this issue. Thank you, come again. --Tajikam420 (talk) 21:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if most people in Kabul can speak Dari. That says nothing about ethnic makeup as many people are bilingual. Ethnicity never mattered anyhow, nor did the name of the school until very recently and to a very small portion of society. Further, the university was created by a Pashtun king and a Pashtun Prime Minister, just as it was Pashtun kings/governors/elites who built the first schools for little boys and girls in small villages everywhere from Badakhshan to Qataghan to Herat, and convinced those children's parents that sending their little girls to school was not "haraam". --EduardoGuerez (talk) 23:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

His logic is flawed. He's ignoring the fact that the university's name was established upon it's inception, and has not been changed. If he insists on unilaterally changing it's name, then perhaps he should remove that image from the article that clearly has the school's name on it in Pukhto. --EduardoGuerez (talk) 15:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

[edit] Communist/Socialist slant..

This article seems to be centered around the communist/socialist legacy that the university developed in the 60s and 70s. Does anyone have information about other personalities and developments related to this institution that may offset this? Perhaps from the earlier years? --EduardoGuerez (talk) 20:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)