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This article was nominated for deletion on June 14, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Judenrein 2 Wiktionary? 3 Petri Krohn's weird manipulations 4 Re-elect for deletion? 5 This cat is to be deleted 6 Belgrade-Judenfrei

[edit] Judenrein

Actually, Judenrein was a more common term. Beit Or 20:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiktionary?

Shouldn't this be a Wiktionary entry rather than a Wikipedia article? Digwuren 07:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if such compound words even need Wiktionary article. This not even an official term. Suva 10:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Petri Krohn's weird manipulations

User:Petri Krohn has repeatedly attempted to attach Estonia-related categories to this article. This is not an Estonia-related article, nor does assert it is, thus, such categorisation amounts to vandalism. I will revert them. Digwuren 09:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Are there any reasons to believe that declaring Estonia Judenfrei was not part of Holocaust in Estonia? Could you shre those reasons, please, instead of rapid-fire vandalism accusations? 206.186.8.130 15:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Digwuren, could you explain how declaring Estonia Judenfrei is not part of history of Holocaust in Estonia? TIA. 206.186.8.130 15:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious -- this declaration was a part of the all-Europe Nazi campaign. A PR announcement, if you wish. The category is for Estonia-specific Holocaust articles, and this concept certainly is not one. Otherwise, Holocaust itself would be in [[Category:Holocaust in Estonia]] -- obviously absurd.

It was part of Nazi campaign, but I consider it part of history of Holocaust in Estonia too. Your sarcasm about [[Category:Holocaust in Belgrade]] or [[Category:Holocaust in Berlin]] is valid, but obviously no wikipedians found it worthwile to create those categories. You see, Estonia is a country, and Belgrade and Berlin are cities. You are more than welcome to create those categories and I'll add links to this article immediately.206.186.8.130 18:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

You're deliberately misunderstanding my point -- and it's not the first time, either.

I'm saying that of the region-specific Holocaust categories, the only one applicable to this term is Jews and Judaism in Europe. I won't create useless new categories. Digwuren 10:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Now, will you explain why not [[Category:Holocaust in Belgrade]] or [[Category:Holocaust in Berlin]]? Are these territories too insignificant for your tastes? Digwuren 17:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I dont think the [[Holocaust in Berlin]] happened in Berlin. It seems that it was outsourced to Estonian collaborators. -- Petri Krohn 22:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

That's very interesting. What kind of remote death systems were used? Digwuren 10:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re-elect for deletion?

As month has passed and most encyclopedic content has already been merged to other appropriate articles and this article shows no signs whatsoever of getting out of the stub status I would think it should be appropriate to make this page a redirect instead. Comments? Suva 10:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This cat is to be deleted

There is no such thing as "Holocaust in Estonia", instead it is "The Holocaust", the categoy is totally fake. All the articles tagged here are done so by User:Petri Krohn, known anti Estonian POV pusher. There are no articles-categories "Holocaust in Latvia", "Holocaust in Belarus" or "Holocaust in Lithuania". This is simple Original Research and POV pushing and without whatsoever notability or reliable sources.

[edit] Belgrade-Judenfrei

Belgrade was the first city of a New Europe to be Judenfrei and was the only European capital that had concentration camps exclusively for Jews(Sajmiste and Banjica). Schedule of rules of the military commander in Serbia no. 7-8, May 31, 1941" are the "Orders relating to Jews and Gypsies", among which, among other things, state:

1. Jews (...) Paragraph 2. Jews must report two week to ... the Serbian police registration authorities. Paragraph 3. Jews ... must wear a yellow band on their left arm with the word "Jew" written on it. (...) Paragraph 4. Jews may not be public servants. Their removal from all institutions must be immediately performed by the Serbian authorities. Paragraph 5. Jews cannot be allowed to practice the professions of lawyer, physician, dentist, veterinarian and chemist. (...) Paragraph 7. Jews are forbidden to visit theatres and cinemas.

2. Gypsies Paragraph 18. Gypsies are considered equivalent to Jews.

Even earlier, in the "Community news" (Opstinske novine) it had been proclaimed that "jews are forbidden to appear henceforth without a yellow band".

3. The duties of the Serbian authorities Paragraph 21. The Serbian authorities are responsible for the carrying out of the commands contained in this Order.

4. Penal Measures Paragraph 22. Whoever resists... shall be punished with imprisonment and a monetary fine. In aggravated cases the punishment will be penal sentence or death. Belgrade, May 30, 1941. (Printed commands of the Military Commander in Serbia, No. 7-8, May 31) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taulant23 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

When Germans bombarded Belgrade on April 6th 1941 and then ocuppied Yugoslavia, Serbia was devided between Hungary, Croatia, Bulgaria and Albania, and reduced to 1/3 of it's pre-war size (or 1/9, if we count the whole Yugoslavia, which was de-facto a Serbian state).

Sajmiste and Banjica concentration camps were created by Germans primarily as a measure of punishment for Serbian people, and were by no means exclusively Jewish. The rest of your text is also questionable, as it is a quote from hate-motivated Croatian book (Ljubica Stefan: From fairy tale to holocaust).

Snorvald (talk) 04:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)