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[edit] Relationship with Katharine Hepburn - (2006-03-06)
I don't know how to edit the page but there is no evidence that Katharine Hepburn actually had an affair with John Ford . They certainly had some sort of short term infatuation but there is no evidence that they actually had a physical relationship. 60.229.213.165 (talk · contribs) - 12:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Barbara Leaming’s bio, Katharine Hepburn, describes them as being deeply in love for several years but says the relationship was never consummated. Leaming claims that Ford could not leave his wife Mary because she threatened to cut him off from his daughter, and that Hepburn offered Mary $150,000 to grant him a divorce. I.Katie (talk) 07:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Presently headed by the decidedly well-off Lord Killanin" - (2006-05-29)
It says here "presently headed", but if you click the link you see that he is deceased (1999). Jim 00:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Plus, the wording is rather POV, and sounds as if the writer does not think well of them. Michael was in fact a well-regarded man by all who knew him, so in keeping with wiki policy and for decency's sake I've revised the wording. Anyway, it doesn't understand or take into account the state of affairs between the Morris's and the people of Spiddal back then. Fergananim 01:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Politics - (2007-02-13)
Where in the hell did this passage come from:
- "However, despite his liberalism (he would often needle John Wayne for his conservatism despite the fact that Wayne obtained an exemption from fighting in World War II), Ford eventually became a conservative Republican due to the events of the Vietnam War. Ford had always been a patriotic sort; he'd volunteered for the Navy in WWII despite being well past military age, and his leftist politics and criticism were always colored by his extreme love of country, as can be seen in Fort Apache, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, and Young Mr. Lincoln. Yet when Ford was converted to Wayne's politics by his late observations: he saw young leftists burning the American flag which he had fought to protect; he saw the some of America's youth treating the American military, whom Ford also loved deeply, as "murderers"; he saw his old friend Henry Fonda on the other side; and he saw Fonda's daughter becoming a leader of the left. Ford was horrified by his belief that being a liberal now meant spitting on the very things Ford held dear, and he registered Republican late in life."
It sticks out like a sour thumb and rambles on for too long. I deleted it until someone can give me an accurate source for it. User:155.138.32.19 - 17:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Also on Politics - (2007-03-26)
This section starts with: "Ford's politics were conventionally Democratic as his favorite presidents were Lincoln, FDR and JFK."
Lincoln was a Republican, obviously. Maybe just leave out any mention of his favorite presidents, or at least not use it as justification for his political leaning? 70.48.231.138 - 07:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- The Republican and Democrat parties of the 1850s was markedly different to the parties of the 1950s, or 2007. LamontCranston - 06:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WikiCommons - (2007-03-23)
Can someone upload the image to commons? Domingo Portales (talk · contribs) - 19:38, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rear Admiral - (2007-03-25)
I'm confused John Ford with Rear Admiral John D. Ford (1840-1918). Are both of them U.S. Navy admirals? (upper or lower half? ) I can only find John D. Ford in category "United States Navy admirals". 59.115.161.7 - 03:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Is John Ford rear admiral upper or lower half? I can't find John Ford nor John Martin Feeney in category "United States Navy admirals". 61.224.51.67 (talk · contribs) - 07:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Monument Valley Image - (2007-10-27)
I have removed Image:John Ford's Point.jpg from the article. Although it is a Commons image it serves no real purpose. It would be more significant (in fact it would be very good indeed) if it showed a scene of during the film photography. But it doesn't - it shows a random section of Monument Valley. I understand it's meant to illustrate where Ford spent during the filming, but that's unnecessary. We could just as easily include images of the Hollywood Sign to illustrate the time he lived in Los Angeles, and no, I am not suggesting we do that. I don't think the image helps the article at all, and is purely decorative. It has nothing to do with Ford. Eachwiped 00:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well, the article could certainly do with something which reflects the importance of Monument Valley in Ford's work and, when that is added, this photo is as good an illustration of that as we've got. Viva-Verdi 01:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Many people's first exposure to MV was via Ford's films, prior to 1939 most people did not know anything about MV. Ford to MV is like New Mexico to Georgia O'Keefe. Flat out, they made people want to check out either MV or NM after viewing their respective arts. Ford was like an Ansel Adams in exposing MV to viewers. Ford also changed the use of scenery as a character. He made it possible for scenery to be a stand apart portion of a motion picture. Prior to Ford, movies were shot purely for economical or geographical proximity reasons. He changed they way directors and producers thought about where to shot a film. Now some people have trouble with this, "setting purest", the other night West Texas native Tommy Lee Jones said on Charlie Rose, that he can't stand to watch The Searchers because the story is set west of the Pecos River, in the Llano Estacado of Northwest Texas, but was filmed in MV. I used to shake my head every time I watched Eastern Indian Territory (now Eastern Oklahoma) set, but filmed in Southwest Colorado, True Grit. But, as I have gotten older, I have separated the scenery from the telling of the movie, and appreciate it for itself. It becomes an independent element that can be enjoyed all on its own. Now it would be nice to shot films 100% of the time in the setting that the story was written, but, sometimes this is just not possible. Ford's use of MV flat out changed movie making, in a dramatic fashion, and from that point on. His impact on other producers and directors after Stagecoach and the use of MV was one of biggest events in the evolution of film making. Now the image needs to be tied to the importance of Ford to MV, interwoven in the article, tied to the accompanying text. MV is important to Ford, the article needs to make sure that is conveys this. IP4240207xx 02:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Isn't having John Ford's Point in his article the same as having Nelson's Column in Trafalgar Square in Horatio Nelson's article, or the Lincoln Memorial in Abraham Lincoln's article, etc., etc. et al? WikiDon 05:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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- I've reinstated the image of John Ford Point. The claim that "It has nothing to do with Ford" above is just ludicrous. Not only was it named for Ford by the Navajo who live in the valley and who credit Ford for saving them from starvation once upon a time, it's absolutely a scene where several sequences from Ford films were shot. Most notably, it's the spot Jeffrey Hunter is dropped from on his way sneaking into Scar's camp in The Searchers. I've moved the image to the Awards section to suggest the fact that its name is in honor of Ford. But claiming it is just "scenery" and has "nothing to do with Ford" is uninformed dilettantism. Monkeyzpop 10:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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It seems that there is a consensus that the IMAGE STAYS. Viva-Verdi 17:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment - (2008-02-29)
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) - 11:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Date of birth - (2008-04-14)
If the year 1895 at his tombstone was wrong his family would probably react. It acctually has been 35 years since his death. What proof are there for that 1895 should be wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.230.193.22 (talk) - 05:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Because he is probably born by then? Why should the graves be wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.230.193.22 (talk) - 14:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Ford "homosexuality" claim - (2008-04-26)
The unregistered editor using IP 92.11.161.173 (talk · contribs) is the HarveyCarter (talk · contribs) sockpuppet, banned under 20 or 30 disguises and currently blocked from several articles where his agenda is to prove racism, homosexuality, intolerance, or some other form of behavior that he feels is repugnant. The "reference" he continually makes to the Maureen O'Hara autobiography is false. She does indeed state that she believes she saw Ford kissing a well-known actor at one point. She does NOT say she saw a more graphic homosexual act, and she makes no suggestion whatsoever as to who she was talking about. The 92.11.161.173 editor is falsifying the citation in order to further his agenda of hatred toward certain generally revered Hollywood figures. Asking for a better citation is insufficient to deal with his agenda. A request was made to protect the article, and several other articles were indeed protected as a result of his actions. But the Ford article request was denied, as he had not yet made many such edits here. I suspect he will remedy that situation soon and will then be blocked from this article as well. FYI. Monkeyzpop (talk) 12:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I have posted the following on IP 92.11.161.173's talk page:
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- Constant edit waring when you have been told to provide some reference to support your claim of Ford's homoseuality, casn lead you tgo being BANNED from Wikipedia.
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- Check the "Discussion" page by going to Talk:John Ford#Homosexuality claim and you see that I have supported the revert, therefore 2 editors are disagreeing with your edits.
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- Be careful: This can become vandalism, and you will be banned.
- Naturally, I support the revert by User talk:Redrocket. Viva-Verdi (talk) 16:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Edits from Banned User HC and IPs - (2008-05-05)
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