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[edit] re Usana

Hi, nice stuff you are adding - but I wonder if it is in the right place. I am not sure you can have the accounting stuff as background and then have the legal allegations and resume controversies as separate sections. I am thinking that there may have to be a section called controversies or similar where the accounting, legal challenges and resume problems could be subtitled. This would put all these items in one place and not leave WP open to complaints of undue weight. LessHeard vanU 20:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Any controversies section would need to be at the end of the article, although they could be mentioned in the introduction briefly ("USANA is a blah, blah, blah.. which has recently been the subject of several controversies"), since it is initially and mainly notable as a health food/supplement provider. That way the reader gets all the usual stuff about history and product, selling methods, sponsorship etc. and then the various adverse comments. This way the controversies are placed together but without WP:Undue weight, IMO. LessHeard vanU 12:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

No, not bland. Just an overview. Basically the intro is the bit that a reader uses to make sure they have the right article or drags in the casual reader. Look at the intro for Oscar Wilde, his notoriety as a homosexual is dealt with in an intriguing yet non-committal way as he is rightly more notable as a playwright and wit. This is how I suggest we approach USANA.

I will see if I have spare time this weekend to work on the article, but by all means do what you think is right and see if we can improve it between us. If you see that I have finished and you think it can do with further work then go ahead - don't ask me. I have only just looked at your userpage; we have come to this page from opposite directions - you know the subject and I initially to check out POV violations - but I think we can get a decent article out of this. LessHeard vanU 19:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for you copying your proposed text to me; I've copied it back with a very few changes - mostly spelling and stuff. The best way of finding out if your proposed changes will fly is to drop it into the article - as long as it isn't removed by vandals or POV pushers it is likely to be altered a bit but that is what all editors should expect. If you are unsure, though, the other way is to post it in the talkpage and request other regular editors (and me!) to review it; on Wikipedia no editor has more rights than anyone else. Anyhow, this is your proposed text with a couple of edits by me;

Legal TroublesIssues (Probably not the best title)(so, how about this?) One day after the release of the Barry Minkow report, shares of the company's stock declined by $8.92, or 15%..^[1] Accusations leveled against Usana by Barry Minkow and the FDI, were listed as contributory factors in the decline of the stock price and have subsequently led to several lawsuits being filledfiled against the vitamin distributorcompany. On April 4, 2007 Guerin Senter and two other USANA shareholders filed a class-action lawsuit against USANA Health Sciences, Myron W. Wentz, David A. Wentz and Gilbert A. Fuller. The suit alleges that USANA presented materially false and misleading statements about the company’s financial situation and business practices. Included in the allegations were that USANA’s business model was unsustainable and amounted to a pyramid scheme. The suit also cited several findings from the report released by Barry Minkow.^[2] USANA has also been named the defendant in a proposed class-action lawsuit brought against them by some of the company’s distributors. On June 21st the Associated Press reported that the lawsuit was being filed in the state court of California, which has tough multilevel marketing laws. This lawsuit seeks to ban USANA from doing further business in the state, which is one of USANA’s largest markets. The lawsuit alleges that USANA failed to disclose “material adverse facts” to those recruited to sell the companies products. The lawsuit seeks damages for “downline” distributors who purchased products which they claim they were unable to sell due to the inflated prices. The lead plaintiff in the case, Christopher Crane, is claiming damages of $500, but additional plaintiffs will see that number rise.^[3]

Feel free to amend as required. LessHeard vanU 20:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re Usana

		The Half Barnstar
		For your polite discussion with User:La grenouille. It is unimportant that you do not agree; it is very important that you are continuing the dialogue.

LessHeard vanU (talk) 17:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

ps. La grenouille has the other half... —Preceding unsigned comment added by LessHeard vanU (talk • contribs) 17:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just a reminder...

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Also, are you in any way affiliated with USANA HS, Inc.? You seem to be quite knowledgeable about the subject and offer a fairly strong, informed perspective, may I say. Qwerty (talk) 14:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] not at all regarding the article Usana...

... I lie! ;~)

I have made this comment on the talkpage. Since you are the editor concerned and likely have the source easily to hand I thought you may wish to adjust the article text. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

If it isn't clear, then it is probably best left out of the article until a third party source that says whether it is up or down (factoring in inflation or not) can be found. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I seem to have got myself confused. We go with what they have published. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes... sorry! LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)