Talk:J.E.B. Stuart

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Contents 1 Hornets 2 Requested move 2.1 Survey 2.2 Discussion 3 Stinging rebuke 4 nickname 5 Cause of death

[edit] Hornets

The incident w/the hornets: Fact or fiction?

It is a story told by his older brother, William, and is cited in a number of biographies. I'll reword it. Hal Jespersen 16:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stinging rebuke

Re: Stuart's stinging rebuke from Lee. I would like to know what your source is for this. I have read many books, articles on both Stuart and Lee and besides The Killer Angels (a work of fiction) and the movie Gettysburg (a work of fiction) have found no mention of Lee's stinging rebuke on the Second Day.

I am not going to edit the page. But I would just like to know the source. If there is no source or the source is the Killer Angels, I think that comment should be removed from the Stuart bio. Clg621 14:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree this is an overstatement. Of course, due to Lee's normal civility, a reproach that would otherwise seem mild could be interpreted by an intimate such Stuart as an implied stinging rebuke. (That sort of interaction would not work well in a movie without embellishment.) I will work on this tonight unless someone else jumps in. The entire article needs a rework. It's pretty obvious that References other than Eicher were used, for example. Hal Jespersen 15:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Unless we know for sure (have scholarship) that Lee rebuked Stuart, I don't think that the Stuart bio should suggest Lee did so. The other thing I would like you to look at (I won't edit since my knowledge does not equal yours) is the Peach Orchard comment. Lee wouldn't attack at all? Really? Did Lee ever make that statement? I do believe the Gettysburg part of Stuart's bio needs to remain fair to Stuart. Clg621 15:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'll reword it. The Peach Orchard sentence says it "is unlikely Lee would have attacked on July 2 in the way he did ...", not "at all." Hal Jespersen 15:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The Peach Orchard sentence says it "is unlikely Lee would have attacked on July 2 in the way he did ...", not "at all." Is that "rebuke" of my faulty memory really necessary. The problem is not my post here on Talk but that the Stuart bio seems to hold Stuart personally responsible for the failed attack on July 2. From now on, I will be exacting in my posts so you won't have to waste your time correcting me. Clg621 19:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not intend to offend. I interpreted your question literally ("Lee wouldn't attack at all? Really? Did Lee ever make that statement?"), as is easy to do in communications of this type. By the way, there is a more complete discussion of Lee's plan in Battle of Gettysburg, Second Day#Lee's plan and movement to battle. Hal Jespersen 23:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I have updated the article. See what you think. This article still needs a lot of work. Considerably more can be said about his Civil War career and it all needs a thorough dose of in-line citations. Hal Jespersen 01:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] nickname

I have reverted the edit that added the nicknames "Flower of Cavaliers, Knight of the Golden Spurs." If you are going to add something to the info box it needs to be in the body of the article and should be represented by the information gathered from the References. According to the Eicher reference, Stuart had two nicknames: Jeb and Beauty. Since the latter is so obscure, no one thought to add it. However, as a more general point, for American Civil War biographies, we use nicknames that are not simply general descriptions, but ones that could reasonably be assumed to be used by his contemporaries in addressing the person. So Henry Heth was Harry, James Longstreet was Pete, William T. Sherman was Cump, Ulysses S. Grant was Sam, J.E.B. Stuart was Jeb. (It is actually possible to imagine one of the other generals calling him Beauty to his face, but no one ever called out, "Hey! Flower of Cavaliers!") I imagine that the article on Abraham Lincoln has a longer list of what they call nicknames -- such as the Great Emancipator -- but I have not been involved in arguing this point over there. Hal Jespersen (talk) 23:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cause of death

This article says he was shot with a pistol from 30 feet away; the page for Yellow Tavern says he was shot by a former sharpshooter from a great distance.

I have corrected the account in Battle of Yellow Tavern. (That article is rather pathetically short, which I will correct one of these days.) Thank you for pointing out the discrepancy. Hal Jespersen (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)