Talk:J. L. Austin
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Could use something about his philosophy of mind... Banno 20:32, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- it might also be useful to have something about or to direct readers to some of the responses & critiques of Austin's theories.
- acts performed in saying something, for example stating a fact, asking a question, and so on, and
- acts performed by saying something, for example informing someone of a state of affairs or eliciting a response.
He called these ... illocutionary, and perlocutionary acts, respectively.
I'm not clear on the difference between asking a question, and eliciting a response - I can elicit responses non-verbally, but the definition explicitly states "by saying something". I'm confused. Dduck 15:58, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I looked it up and edited the text. I hope it's clear now. Dduck 10:06, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Hope the changes make the distinctions a bit clearer. Yes, you can elicit a response non-verbally, but this is a theory about eliciting them verbally. Thanks for the comment. Banno 10:25, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
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- How would you describe the following? "How are you?"
- Is this asking a question or eliciting an answer? I find that the new text is no closer to making this matter clear. Perhaps, you could explain. Dduck 11:30, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Firstly, this is Austin’s, not my, arrangement.
- Secondly, you appear to think that illocutions and perlocutions are mutually exclusive. They are not. In saying “How are you” one performs a locution (pronounces an English sentence), and illocution (asking a question), and if one elicits an answer, a perlocution. The point of Austin’s categorization is to distinguish the different acts. Banno 20:20, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I like your answer, especially that you've changed to using substantives instead of adjectives for "locutions". Am I correct in thinking that a perlocution originates from the recipient but illocution from the originator of the locution? Dduck 14:03, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Depends what you mean by “originates”. Donald Davidson might have a different opinion.Banno 20:38, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
There's a problem. I was referred to this page from a page on law. John Austin can refer to:
A philosopher of language; see J. L. Austin An 18th century legal and political theorist who wrote 'An Essay on Sovereignity', considered the standard for discussions about sovereignity A warrant officer in the United States Navy; see John Arnold Austin A British politician; see John Austin (politician) A 19th century Texan who helped lead the Battle of Velasco
this page is on the first person while a correct link would be to a page on the second (which as far as I can tell doesn't exist yet)
I don't know how to fix this hopefully now that it has been brought to attention some wiki pro can fix it up.
ps here's a link to COPRYWRITTEN material on the real John Austin (please stand up). Not intended for copy but to facillitate clarifaction of any potentially created page on th 17th century Austin. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/austin-john/.
- The page you came here from should link to the disambiguation page. What page was it? Banno 20:35, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
