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[edit] 81941
Add Chinese chars for rest of place names and trees etc. Taiwan postal code 81941. --jidanni
[edit] Widuabe
The Hainan name is 黃山馬峙 - Huangshanma Chi. No way that's pronounced "Widuabe" in any Chinese language/dialect. --Sumple (Talk) 04:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Taiwanese Landing Strip
The article in the Taiwanese News about the opening of the airstrip, given as Reference [3] http://paper.wenweipo.com/2008/01/26/YO0801260015.htm shows a pretty different image than Google Earth of the island. If Google Earth is correct, then the shown photo is of Pratas Island. Is the article they really talking aobut the same island? --Stefanhanoi (talk) 05:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Protection
I do not believe that the currently protected version is appropriate. It is clearly the result of a single user not only POV-pushing, but also using nothing short of inappropriately inflammatory language. The prior version already noted that Taiwan, Vietnam, and other states all claim the island. Until the matter is resolved by international consensus, claiming that the Taiwanese occupation is illegal is inappropriate. --Nlu (talk) 08:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing it, East 718. The article can still use improvement, but certainly one of the things that should be watched out for is to claim, particularly in an inflammatory manner, that a certain nation's claim is legitimate or illegitimate. --Nlu (talk) 17:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The current article show us an unilateral argument about the definition/explaination of Itu Aba island.
The current article
"Itu Aba Island or Taiping Island (traditional Chinese: 太平島), is the largest of the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. It is controlled and governed by the Republic of China. The Spratly Islands consists of seven reefs. The governments of the People's Republic of China, the Philippines and Vietnam also claim the island. The Vietnamese name for the island is đảo Ba Bình (Ba Bình Island), while in Filipino it is called Ligaw ('Lost'/'Wild') Island."
show us an unilateral argument about the definition/explaination of Itu Aba island.
The article didn't mention about management of the governments of Vietnam to the Itu Aba island hundreds years ago and the presentation of the old Vietnamese thousands years ago. It also didn't mention about many maps written by the Chinese which confirmed that Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands (which includes Itu Aba island) are parts of Vietnam and either the Quing dynasty of China - the last one in China which confirmed the similar case.
So, from thousands years ago to until now, Vietnamese has never been giving up the management, the sovereignty to the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Island.
Who can change history? God can't change the history!
- These are the old maps drawn by Vietnamese in 1754: [1]
- These are the old maps drawn by Westerners [2] about the Paracel Islands
- These are the old maps show us the southern most border of China since 1561 : [3]
All shown us that: Paracel Island and Spratly Islands belong to Vietnam and the China never claimed they belong to them!
So with my respect, please revert current version to my latest version.
Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thungraccongcong (talk • contribs)
- Please read WP:NPOV. If you can think of a way to make your edit NPOV and verifiable (i.e., give proper citations), additional information is always welcome. However, as WP:NPOV indicates, Wikipedia does not take sides in territorial disputes, and violation of NPOV is a blockable offense. --Nlu (talk) 05:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Rewrite the definition
Nlu, I'm not sure about the NPOV but the links I gave are strong enough to put my article as the main one.
Unless you give stronger evidences than mine you can keep the current article as the main one.
You cannot keep the current article without any strong evidence or weaker than mine.
If you don't want to put my article to first, please rewrite the definition by timelines. For example:
- In 15xx, the goverments of China announced the office map as the link [link] - ... - Since 19xx, the Island is under control of Vietnam - In 19xx, it's controlled by Taiwanese ....
Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thungraccongcong (talk • contribs) 19:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- NPOV is one of the most important principles of Wikipedia. If you can't abide by it, your edits will not be accepted, no matter how well-written. (And, to be blunt, they were not well-written, no matter what point of view you're taking.) --Nlu (talk) 05:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Ask for rewriting again!!!
Nlu,
As you said:
However, as WP:NPOV indicates, Wikipedia does not take sides in territorial disputes, and violation of NPOV is a blockable offense. --Nlu (talk) 05:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
So NPOV doesn't apply for this article. With my evidences, you can rewrite the article from the past to the present. Not like the current topic, it only mentions about the present. It's not a full definition of the Itu Aba.
Please rewrite the article or if you don't have much time, I can help you.
Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thungraccongcong (talk • contribs)
- You are clearly not listening. Until you read and understand the NPOV requirement, I will make no further response to you, since it is apparently futile to do so. --Nlu (talk) 11:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
