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Contents 1 Merge 2 Yeah... 3 What? 4 2 contradicting definitions, only 1 truth 5 Secondary sources 6 Meaning 7 Passed "Good article" 8 Isaac and the paternity of Abraham 9 bible verses 10 Note 28

[edit] Merge

The page should not be merged Jews and Muslims dispute the importance of Isaac / Ishaq. Due to inaccuracy in the writing of the later works Ishmael is seen to have been sacrificed to instead of Ishaq. This dispute may offend people of either faith if combined together.

Should the base article just be about Isaac the biblical personage and the rest of the material moved to a disambiguation page? A lot of it is not relevant to the main article. User:FeanorStar7

I would beg to differ. Everything mentioned about Isaac is relevant. It is the biblical personage that makes him who he is. Without that, why would we look for him in the encyclopedia anyway? AMEN BROTHER

The section "Isaac in Qu'ran" is the same as the section on Isaac. Maybe merging + adding the prophet template on Isaac? The same is done by Ishmael)
Blubberbrein2 09:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I second this, since it is the same person (just a different perspective). BTW, I think you mean Ishaq (not Isaac) should be merged with this article. --Benjamin, 200606011340

If you have a page for Ishaq, you ought to have one Yitzak, the Hebrew patriach. Better to have one page to explain the scriptural entity as interpreted by the three faiths of The Book.

I agree with the merge. What made my mind up on this is when I noticed that Isaac has a link to the Arabic Wikipedia but Ishaq doesn't. (On the other hand, Arabic is all Greek to me, so I can't comment on whether or not the Arabic Wikipedia makes any distinctions between the two variants of the name). Robert Happelberg 21:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yeah...

They should merge the sections, especially because Isaac is often considered the least important of the Patriarchs and needs more info from the Ishaq article. -This statement is not accurate, these Patriachs are equal in importance.

Yes I think they should be merged and also ishaq should be written as "is'haq" to avoid mispronounciation of "sh"

I do not believe they should be merged. Though physically it talks of the same character the content about what each religion is based off is totally different which changes the role of Isaac.

It's the same person: bottom line. Creating a different page for the Arabic name for the same person is just a way of oh-so-subtly saying that Muslims don't really know what they're talking about. One page, with differing accounts given in historical order... just like the real world! Imagine! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.175.21.20 (talk) 17:22, September 13, 2006 (UTC)

Yes, except that the Ishaq page was created by Muslims. Are they saying that the rest of us don't know what we're talking about? I'm not willing to say that... --Eliyak T·C 17:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

There is nothing to worry about.This will not change anything.

Yes they should merge the documents but they should make two separate catagories for biblical and Quranic interpretation of Isaac's life. What do you think?

Yep, that's the most reasonable option. It should be formatted like Ishmael. Keeps it consistent and NPOV etcetera etcetera

[edit] What?

"Three explanations for Isaac's name are given: the first is that his mother Sarai(Sarah) laughed when told by God that she would have a son in her old age (Genesis 17:16-17); in the second, it is Sarah who laughs (Genesis 18:10-12)" She's the one who laughs both times?

[edit] 2 contradicting definitions, only 1 truth

Sorry to say but 1/2 of the article is inaccurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.81.105.212 (talk) 07:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Secondary sources

Do we need to use secondary sources for the "Isaac in the Hebrew Bible" section? --Aminz 10:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning

In a secondary source, I found the following statement: " Stories about Issac appear in Genesis 17-28. Although they are largely to be ascribed to J, P is represented at the beginning (17:15-27) and end (27:46-28:9), and E in 21:1-7 and 22:1-19 (-> Pentateuch)."

I was wondering what does J,P, and E mean? --Aminz 07:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I do not know a lot about it, but we have an article about it at Documentary hypothesis. Tom Harrison ^Talk 14:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much. --Aminz 21:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Passed "Good article"

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

An overall well-written article. I am impressed at how the citations give this article reliability (most religion-related articles tend to be filled with NPOV). For future development of this article, I have a few suggestions: 1) check the grammar and typos; 2) include more images, especially in the sections near the end. Other than that, I have nothing to say. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a little to say. The use of the copyrighted image Robert B. Sherman "Sacrifice" [Image:Sacrifice 600.JPG] seems to be a violation of the type cited at Wikipedia:Non-free content#Examples of unacceptable use. It is a non-notable, non-iconic, copyrighted image used illustrate an article. That image also seems to have an incorrect tag (it is not an "poster for an event" used "to illustrate the event in question"). I have removed the image from the article for these reasons. 69.72.2.72 21:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe this page is incorrectly named and should be moved to Isaac (biblical character) or something of the sort. This page is more appropriately along the lines of Matthew or Andrew. Andrew McNaughton, 8:54, May 6 2007 (AEST).

[edit] Isaac and the paternity of Abraham

The paternity of Abraham for Isaac is not sure. (Cf.Isaac paradox). Isaacsonornot 13:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] bible verses

The bible verses should be applied with the {{bibleverse}} template.--Sefringle 23:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Note 28

Note 28 says, "(see also Qur'an 38:45 and Qur'an 29:27-26)". Question is: How can a quote be from one verse to an earlier one? 90.230.233.43 (talk) 12:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)