Talk:Intelligent vehicle technologies

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Thank you. Please express 'formal tone' or contribute to the article.

Employing a 'formal tone' on Intelligent vehicle technologies article would make it difficult for common folk to easily comprehend. I have deleted a very good article (Self-recording golf ball, golf ball cup, and reading device) I created because people did not understand it - later I was accused of vandalizing the article I deleted.

Please note contributions from the author (and other Wikipedians) continue to expound on the article and its contents - it also has been suggested to merge the contents of Intelligent vehicle technologies, and Emergency warning system for vehicles with Telematics. --Lperez2029 18:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Formal tone 2 LBS Links 3 Ben Stein wrote this article 4 Commercial links vs educational links

[edit] Formal tone

Based upon additional contributions made and the 'informal' nature of the article, I am removing the 'formal tone' notice. Thank you. --Lperez2029 14:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LBS Links

I removed the LBS and Applocation links form Intelligent vehicle technologies article because they do not relate to or reflect intelligent automotive safety technologies -- while the information contained in these web sites seem valuable and informative perhaps they are better suitable for inclusion to the Telematics, or Vehicle tracking articles. Thank you. --Lperez2029 (talk) 16:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Stein wrote this article

the article seems to be boring to the point of purposeful crafting. almost as if it's not meant to be interesting and, therefore, not read. very few articles on wikipedia are this uniquely interesting while being incomprehensibly boring. Aceholiday (talk) 01:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

also of note is the link to the ivt homepage. it looks like it was designed by a 70 year old guy using netscape composer. Aceholiday (talk) 01:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I am honored by the fact that you compare my article to something Ben Stein would write. I would love to hear Ben's rendition of Intelligent vehicle technologies as Ben is one of my favorite scholars and a very intelligent man who is very resourceful and serious and funny at the same time. Purposeful crafting yes -- boring depends on who's reading the article -- interesting, well, not all articles are interestingly written, or written to be interesting. As for ivt homepage designed by a 70 year old, take a look at Ben's web site and see if you get the same feeling Ben's House. So, by your statement, I believe you owe an apology to every senior citizen who uses or have used nestscape composer for web site design. Lperez2029 (talk) 12:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial links vs educational links

Please take notice: Wikipedia articles may include links to Web pages outside Wikipedia. Such pages could contain further research that is accurate and on-topic; information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail (such as technology, professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks); or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to their reliability (such as reviews and interviews). Some external links such as SIE-Solutions and IVT home page are welcome, and Wikipedia's purpose may sometimes require a few external links as long as they are specifically related to each topic. Lperez2029 (talk) 13:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes and if there is relevant research that is unbiased to one company or the other, information can be placed into the aritcle and referenced using a footnote to the website. You know very well that as one company puts a link in, another and another and another come. And then you get a link farm. And then you might have someone coming along who goes and deletes a link saying that this company doesn't have much to do with intelligent vehicle systems and then you get into a fight over who gets to spam their company on WP. I see it all the time. Thats why the WP:EL guidelines are pretty firmly against commercial links. Some commercial links like IMDB are pretty recognized as an authoritative unbiased source for filmographies, or cast listings. But no one links to their user comments about a file, nor to they link to the part of IMDB that sells videos or what ever. Apples and oranges and you know that. Montco (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

There is unequivocally nothing wrong with putting research and development companies in the article as a group supporting such technology -- or a link (under "other links" or "see also") on an article about the firm. Furthermore, to a limited extent wikipedia welcomes and supports external links as long as they expound on the content of the article [the technology]. As you browse wikipedia, you will find external links in just about every article in support of the content. We all know very well that as one company puts a link in others follow -- and then it becomes a gargantuan monstrous list and collection of "commercial sites" with the sole intent to promote sales and for marketing purposes. That is not the case with SIE and IVT, we are strictly reasearch and development -- take a closer look at the web sites and tell me where you see "commercial" interests of any kind. The web sites back up the article see what should be linkedand they are perfectly supportive of the reference.Lperez2029 (talk) 19:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I like a challenge.

"Give us your Concept or Problem and we'll Develop the Solution!"

"Services Provided:

Software consulting & development

Electronic circuit development & prototyping

Technology assessment, selection & evaluation

Reverse, re-engineering or product upgrades

Existing design maintenance & problem resolution

Independent design review and/or verification

Prototype fabrication

Documentation; engineering and end-user

Project management

Production problem resolution

No travel restrictions

Past security clearances, easily reactivated"

"Rates:

Highly competitive rates based either hourly (actual work performed), or by entire project :::(or sub-project) bid.

Off-site day rates, including travel days.

Parts and tools at cost (no markup, full receipts turned in with billing).

Project rates typically paid 1/3 at start, 1/3 prior to prototype delivery and 1/3 at :::completion and exchange of final documentation.

Call or email your project description and we can prepare specific figures for your :::consideration. "

That's just the front page. Commercial enough?

The intelligent vehicle technologies link doesn't even work,so its hard for me to tell if there is anything useful.Montco (talk) 00:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

You keep missing the point in all due respect to wikipedia WP:EL policy Sir -- Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any, period. SIE and IVT sites are the official reference to the article. Furthermore, the primary objective of these sites is not commercial advertisement but to promote knowledge -- the engineering services we offer back up the product for design application which if you read further you will see that most of the technology we offer is innovative in nature and therefore becomes custom design work -- the information is purely educational, and we prove this by backing up the patent claims with 'actual functional engineering solutions that work'. Need more? Still not convinced? Look at IBM article and then see there the 'official web site' at the bottom -- look at hundreds of others. Per wikipedia policy. there is nothing wrong with its inclusion. Of interest to you may be the fact that the intelligent vehicle technologies article was reviewed and scrutinized by at least by one intelligence professional (who happens to write well referenced beautiful articles) and a patent lawyer who's an active wikepedian to name a few -- would you think they would have the same concerns as you have if there was a problem? It is WP policy that justifies their inclusion not whimsical idealism, therefore the links remain. While I appreciate you fervent support of the project, this is not a game of win or lose - it is policy that prevails.

NOTE: Intelligent Vehicle Technologies web servers are down momentarily and should be operational within a few hours. Lperez2029 (talk) 12:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)