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[edit] Postgres

After returning to Berkeley, Stonebraker started a post-Ingres project to address the problems with the relational database model that had become increasing clear during the early 1980s. Primary among these was the relational model's inability to understand "types", combination of simpler data that make up a single unit. Today we typically refer to these as objects.

"...the problems with the relational database model" - I do not believe this was the case, there was no problem other than ignorance of the fundamentals.

"Primary among these was the relational model's inability to understand "types"..." - complete rubbish, should be removed.

Replace with this para:

== Postgres ==

After returning to Berkeley, Stonebraker started a post-Ingres project to address limitations of existing database management implementations.

[edit] Split?

I think that University Ingres, Ingres (Computer Associates) and Postgres should have separate articles. 132.205.45.110 18:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Another Split?

"Ingres" the artist is the article that should be displayed when "Ingres" is entered in for a search. Instead, a company named "Ingres" appears. The artists is more famous and more important and should be what appears first with a link to the company instead of the other way around. Ingres the artist painted one of the most famous paintings of Napoleon, a bunch of other famous paintings in the Louvre (itself) and taught at important art schools (he was even head of the art school in Rome). He influenced famous/important artists like Edgar Degas, Robert Henri, John Singer Sargent and hundreds others. Besides, "Ingres" the company is probably named after him, although I don't know that for sure. There is even "Ingres" paper (it has been around since the time of Ingres, used by and discussed by various famous/important artists such as in the letters of Degas) which is probably more famous than the company.

The artists name is Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres, and it's therefore clear that there's no reason to place an article on this artist under simply Ingres. Or, do you suggest that this artist should be redirected to from Jean, Auguste, Dominique as well as Ingress? As for the questions of which is more notable... Well, I have a Bachelor of arts, and I have to admit, I've never heard of the artist Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres. The company Ingres though, I most certainly have heard of. Jerazol 13:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I very much agree with the original post: Ingres the artist (and not this management system) being the more famous and the earlier should be the default for when one types simply "Ingres". Since this is a wikipedia, and not a personal website, whether or not Jerazol has ever heard of Ingres the artist is beside the point, though if he has a degree in art and has never heard of him, this tells us quite a lot more about his study habits than it does the notability of the artist. The fact that Ingres has other names is also not relevant, and the comment about having redirects for each of his given names is snide and insincere.

Consider a few other notable cases in which merely typing the family name leads directly to the main article: Cicero (the Roman writer and not the Chicago suburb), Goya (the Spanish painter and not the American food company), Picasso (the painter and not the Japanese rock band), Da Vinci, Titian, and many more. Or, changing focus, consider these other examples in which various computer-related programs and companies are NOT the default link: Java, Apple, Peru.

The preceding unsigned comment was added by Interlingua

While I appreciate the personal attacks, I never the less disagree with your conclusion. The 3 IT-related names you mention (2 in fact. I have been unable to find any sort of software or otherwise IT-related technology named Peru). It seems fairly obvious that Java and Apple should link to respectively, the land mass and the fruit, as those are what most people would immediately relate with those words/names.

While I'm sure Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres is a famous artist in his own right, he's hardly comparable to artists like Picasso, Da Vinci, Goya etc. which have achieved a general recognition also outside of art circles. If you look at artists like Andy Goldsworthy, Sebastião Salgado, Ansel Adams, you'll notice that Goldsworthy and Adams simply goes to a disambiguation page, while Salgado is an article on some obscure Brazilian village.

If Ingres the artist had been a generally well known person/artist, I would have agreed with you, but as it is, it's 2 separate interest areas with an equal claim to the article namespace, and considering Ingres the rdbms is actually named Ingres, while Ingres the artist is only part of the artists name, I think it makes more sense to keep it as it is, with the disambiguation link at the top of the article, pointing to Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres

Jerazol 19:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The obvious solution is to make Ingres into a disambiguation page with links to the artist and the database, and for the database article to be renamed "Ingres (database)" or "Ingres Corporation" or something similar. Tevildo 18:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)