Template talk:Infobox Bridge
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[edit] Microformat
I've added the necessary spans and HTML class names for an hCard microformat; plus documentation. Andy Mabbett 16:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Coordinates
I would like to replace
{{#if: {{{lat<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}{{{long|}}}|
{{!}} colspan="2" {{!}}
* [{{Coor URL}}{{{lat}}}_N_{{{long}}}_E_type:landmark_region:US Maps and aerial photos]
** Street map from [http://maps.google.com/maps?ll={{{lat}}},{{{long}}}&spn=0.015,0.025 Google Maps] or [http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?lat={{{lat}}}&lon={{{long}}}&mag=2 Yahoo! Maps]
** Topographic map from [http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat={{{lat}}}&lon={{{long}}}&s=24&size=m&datum=nad83 TopoZone]
** Aerial image or topographic map from [http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?s=11&lat={{{lat}}}&lon={{{long}}}&w=2 TerraServer-USA]
** Satellite image from [http://maps.google.com/maps?ll={{{lat}}},{{{long}}}&spn=0.015,0.025&t=h Google Maps] or [http://virtualearth.msn.com/default.aspx?cp={{{lat}}}{{!}}{{{long}}}&style=h&lvl=15&v=1 Microsoft Virtual Earth]}}
to use {{coord}}, display the coordinates, add a geo microformat remove the US-specific region and remove the specific links, which belong on {{GeoTemplate}}.
I think the new code should be:
{{#if: {{{coordinates<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}|
! style="vertical-align: middle;" {{!}} [[Geographic coordinate system|Coordinates]]
{{!}} {{Coord|{{{lat}}}|N|{{{long}}}|E|type:landmark|display=inline,title}}
but that doesn't seem to work. Can anyone assist, please? Andy Mabbett 22:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Remove Terraserver
| Chain of Rocks Bridge | |
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| Carries | Pedestrians and bicycles |
| Crosses | Mississippi River |
| Locale | St. Louis, Missouri |
| Maintained by | Trailnet |
| Design | Cantilever through-truss |
| Total length | 5,353 feet (1,632 m) |
| Width | 24 feet (7 m) |
| Opening date | 1929 |
| Coordinates | |
Terraserver is a commercial website which charges US$29/month subscription to access high resolution images. I think it should be removed from the infobox. Discuss... --Cheesy Mike 07:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, but that whole section of the infobox should go, and be replaced with a coordinates link, as per my comments, above. Andy Mabbett 08:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- As nobody objected I am removing Terraserver. Anyone care to pick up on Andy Mabbett's comments? --Cheesy Mike 13:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Terraserver usa, the one linked here, is free and run by Microsoft see TerraServer-USA vs Terraserver.com. I prefer its interface, allowing easy viewing of aerial images and topo maps. --Dual Freq 13:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Point taken, I hadn't realised the difference. So now a new argument for removing the Terraserver-USA (and Topozone) link: it only covers the USA. Infobox Bridge covers bridges all over the world, so what is the point of putting links in an infobox if they don't result in any useful data? e.g. Humber Bridge. Given that country specific data can be easily provided using the coord template, I would suggest that both Terraserver USA and Topozone be removed as they are US only. --Cheesy Mike 15:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- That section is basically optional anyway. |coordinates= line is meant for the {{coor dms}} or similar templates. Use Lat= and long= or |coordinates= See example at right, you don't need to use that part of the template, it's in there for backward compatibility. --Dual Freq 03:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Geolinks format
Please monitor the format of Template:Geolinks-US-buildingscale and use it format for offering mapping services.--SallyForth123 03:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] map_text parameter
I don't think the map_text parameter is being handled correctly -- it shows up in the label column, not under the image (and even then only if map_cue is defined). If map_cue is not defined, the text never shows up at all. It looks pretty ugly in 10th Avenue Bridge (granted, I think that page has too much map_cue text anyways). I'm pretty sure the "<br>{{{map_text}}}" text needs to be moved to the map image line, not the map_cue line. I could be wrong though since I've never looked at or touched this template before, so I don't want to change it without checking first. Carl Lindberg 19:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sufficiency Rating
The sufficiency rating for US bridges is available here. This might be added to the box. --Ace Telephone 23:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] How do I use this with...
...another infobox? I just created Columbia Bridge (New Hampshire) and added the NRHP infobox after the Bridges infobox. In Cornish-Windsor Covered Bridge, I added the Bridges infobox to an existing article containing the NRHP infobox. They both look clumsy. How should I do this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Denimadept (talk • contribs) 03:39, August 23, 2007 (UTC).
- I would suggest asking WP:NRHP about removing their infobox from their articles in cases where there is already another infobox, such as Infobox Bridge, and adding the NRHP data to fields in that infobox. I'd say nearly any other infobox takes precedence as NHRP is regionally restricted to the USA. WP:NRHP already sets exclusions for lighthouses, after all. --Geopgeop 11:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
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- That would mean we should add the features to Infobox Bridge which are currently only in the NRHP box. What might be better is if there were a way to incorporate an arbitrary infobox into another infobox. Then we could have any arbitrary features in Infobox Bridge that are added to another Infobox without having to modify Infobox Bridge further. Is this functionality available? I expect that NRHP is already USA-specific, not so? Is there a more global organization which does the same work? - Denimadept 13:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Closed != Destructed
The parameter "closed" indicates in the template "Destruction date". Bridges can be closed and not destroyed. For example, the Waldo-Hancock Bridge was closed on December 30, 2006 but remains standing. 65.125.133.211 (talk) 21:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. It'd be better to have two entries: one for "closed" and another for "destroyed" or "removed". - Denimadept (talk) 21:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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- So the $64,000 question: does "closed" parameter become "Closed date" or does the new "destruction" parameter become "Destruction date"? Rough survey shows about 1100 transclusions of this template and I have no idea if the closed parameter has been used as named or displayed...
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- Perhaps neither. The tenses on "open" and "closed" don't agree. So how about leaving "closed" as-is and adding "close" and "destroy". This allows for gradual transition to the correct parameter as each bridge is assessed. Once the parameter is no longer used then it can be removed. Cburnett (talk) 00:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
FYI: since the parameter was added it has always displayed as "Destruction date". Cburnett (talk) 00:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- Now see Lyndon Bridge. The revision just made [1] was clearly made due to the fact that "closed" means "destroyed" in this template. We need to update the template. I have no idea how to even see the template's code, so I can't do it. Would someone please do this? As part of the change, all existing use of the "closed" parameter should be replaced with "destroyed", in order to make "closed" available for its obvious use. - Denimadept (talk) 21:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, I see how to see the code. The main issue is to replace "closed" with "destroyed" and update every article which uses that entry. Does anyone have a bot which can do this? - Denimadept (talk) 21:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Use "coor title d" in preference to "coor d"?
Over the last year or so a convention seems to have developed whereby coordinates are expected to appear on an article's title line at the right. To conform, this template would have to be modified to use "coor title d" in preference to "coor d". Thoughts or objections anyone? -Arb. (talk) 21:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- What does this mean? I use { {coord} } for all my coords. - Denimadept (talk) 00:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
See Template:Coor_title_d -Arb. (talk) 01:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- See the display of the following example for why I'm puzzled: Coordinates: I put the like on the "coordinates" line of the infobox. - Denimadept (talk) 03:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
OK, to put it another way, is it correct to have the coords buried near the bottom of the infobox or would it be better to follow the new/developing convention and have them display on the top right of the title line as at eg Winchester? -Arb. (talk) 11:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC).
- I think you're missing what I did with that coord above. It is listing in both places: where I put it and in the title line. - Denimadept (talk) 17:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
You are right. I missed the title line display. My bad. The page that brought me here is Bennerley Viaduct. Its bridge infobox uses "|coordinates= {{coor d|52.988|N|1.3|W|region:UK_type:landmark}}". Following your example at Cornish-Windsor Covered Bridge (which uses "|coordinates= {{coord|43|28|25|N|72|23|01|W|region:US_type:landmark|display=inline,title}}" I've tried several variations but none of them give both the title line display and the N and W needed in the inline display. Perhaps with your expertise you can sort it more quickly than I can? Regards, -Arb.
- How's that? I revised the whole Infobox using the source template, got a more on-target coordinate value (try right-clicking in either Yahoo or Google maps), used the convert template to make the measurements more like what people expect, and plugged in more data from your article. - Denimadept (talk) 18:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
You've done a good job over there. Thanks. -Arb. (talk) 20:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Template changes
How does "number of arches" differ from "number of spans"? I'd think the latter would be more general. - Denimadept (talk) 20:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- You are probably right - as an artist rather than engineer I think of arches. Just done one test so far. Hope you approve the other additions which I felt needed to be included. Regards Motmit (talk) 20:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- The rest of your changes look good. I downloaded the national db from the Feds yesterday. There's a LOT more we can add! I have to write a program to read the Federal data and then figure out what to do with it. Maybe I could have it emit populated "infobox bridge" entries. - Denimadept (talk) 20:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
