Template talk:Ifd

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Template:Ifd is permanently protected from editing, as it is a heavily used or visible template.

Substantial changes should be proposed here, and made by administrators if the proposal is uncontroversial, or has been discussed and is supported by consensus. Use {{editprotected}} to attract the attention of an administrator in such cases.
Any contributor may edit the template's documentation to add usage notes, categories or interwiki links.

1 Protection
2 Image?
3 Change in look
4 See also
5 Rewritten
6 Link to entry on IFD
7 Hide/Show bug
8 Edit requested
9 Edit request: Change to look more like Template:Afd
10 Edit request
11 Interwiki
12 Problem with this template
13 Minor overhaul
14 Doc subpage
15 Signature

[edit] Protection

Why is this template protected? Template:vfd and others are unprotected—So why isn't this? I have an improvement but I will not suggest it here as another user's name will be assigned to it in the history. Protection gives sysops an unfair advantage. — El Chico! ^Talk 11:57, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Most of the most-used templates are semi-permanently protected, especially if they have been the targets of edit-wars in the past. The reason is, when you change this template, it changes hundreds of pages on Wikipedia. The protection is to ensure all changes are discussed here first, and that there is consensus to make the change. Then a sysop can unprotect it for you, long enough for you to make the change, and then re-protect it.

So what improvement were you thinking of making? – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 23:30, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

I don't know about El Chico, but I would like to change [[Category:Images for deletion]] to [[Category:Images for deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]]. – AB CD 18:54, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please unprotect this page. Template:Vfd is unprotected, and so is Template:Ifd. Why is this any different?

Well, I think that the idea of linking to the template to improve upon it is sort of bogus, if its protected. The wording should be changed to 'suggest improvements' and the link should be to the talk page. →Iñgōlemo← ^talk donate 00:22, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I also think that this passage "However, you are welcome to make improvements to it." should be removed. I would also reword this sentence: "Please do not remove this notice while the question is being considered." I would replace it with "Please do not remove this notice while it's deletion is being discussed." Zscout370 19:52, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I unprotected the template. It is only used on 199 pages at the moment; I don't think that's enough to count it as one of the "most-used" templates. dbenbenn | talk 01:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image?

Do you think we should have an image of this template to show the template out more on image pages so people then know about the image being deleted? Image:Stop hand.png • Thorpe • 21:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I agree, and I've implemented your suggestion. dbenbenn | talk 20:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Change in look

I have given the template a look that is similar to the other templates that remind people that image may have to be deleted. I hope that's fine, if not then revert. (I also added a link to editing the page and changed the font size of the "If you have just labeled" sentence to be similar to other templates using such a sentence.) Wcquidditch 18:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

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This box: view • talk • edit

Putting and image or media up for deletion is a three step process; see the main article for more information. Template:Idw is used in the second step by Subst.

This template is a self-reference and so is part of the Wikipedia project rather than the encyclopaedic content. This template is not useful for Wikipedia:Subst. This template will categorise tagged categories into Category:Images and media for deletion but this template will not be included.

[edit] See also

Template:Afd, articles for deletion (uses Wikipedia:Subst)
Template:Cfd, category for deletion
Template:Tfd, templates for deletion
Template:Rfd, redirects for deletion

I've moved the above from the main template, because it makes a horrible mess when people subst the template, which they inevitably do. Radiant_>|< 14:25, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
- So what you're saying is, this is useful for Wikipedia:Subst? Wcquidditch | Talk 23:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rewritten

This has now been rewritten similar to {{Afd}}. --Wcquidditch | Talk 15:45, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Link to entry on IFD

Would it be possible to change the link to IFD so that it goes directly to the image's entry? The {{Ifd2}} template which is recommended for listing images on IFD makes an anchor with the name of the image. It might be possible to change the line in this template that says:

Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the Images and media for deletion page.

Could that link be changed to something like the following?

[[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Images and media for deletion]]

If the image was listed on IFD without using {{Ifd2}}, then this fragment identifier wouldn't help any, but it wouldn't hurt anything either. In the majority of cases, though, this would take a person directly to the image's entry. —Bkell (talk) 07:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

There being no objections, I'm going to be bold and make the change. —Bkell (talk) 11:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hide/Show bug

When viewing this template, the hide/show comes up as hide, requiring a user to click "hide" and then "show" to get the lower portion to display. Could this be fixed so that the "Show" is the first action so the user doesn't have to double-click? --MECU≈talk 04:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit requested

Please change

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion<includeonly>#{{FULLPAGENAME}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion<includeonly>/{{FULLPAGENAME}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.

Thank you. ("#" to "/"). This makes much more sense, since IFDs often have a backlog, and it would be nice to access a deletion debate by going directly to it, rather than digging through said backlogs or doing a search. {{afd1}} also has this feature. Thanks. Gracenotes^T § 06:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops. Hm, that's not what I meant to say. Just a sec; I'm going to fix it. Gracenotes^T § 07:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I think I have it: change it to

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion<includeonly>/{{subst:#time:Y F j}}#{{FULLPAGENAME}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.

Hopefully the includeonly substitution of parserfunctions won't be too quirky in this case. Thanks! Gracenotes^T § 07:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, they are. – ABCD✉ 17:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

In this case? Gracenotes^T § 21:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You want to put the includeonly around the subst: ''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#time:Y F j}}#{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Images and media for deletion]] page. Except that that will have to be tested too, because subst-ParserFunction combinations are weird. --ais523 09:30, 30 January 2007 (U T C)

That should work... but only if the template were substituted. The documentation currently says that the template can be used unsubstituted, but if this change were made and the template used without substitution it would always point to the page for the CURRENT date... regardless of when the template was placed on the page / what date the discussion is listed under. Thus, implementing this logic change would require a corresponding change in culture / use. --CBD 22:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

"Not carried out right now", said the humble dolt going through the editprotected requests. "There's been no response since CBD's pertinent point of contention", and he wandered along to the next template talk page. Proto::► 18:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hm, fair enough, I sort of forgot about my request. Gracenotes dreams of a day when template substitution can be set default Gracenotes^T § 20:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit request: Change to look more like Template:Afd

Proposed new design:

This file is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy .
Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the Images and media for deletion page.
You are welcome to edit this file, but please do not remove this notice while the discussion is in progress.

How to list a file for deletion (log)

I think this template is a bit more formal. Also, having the afd and ifd images so different in design might be confusing to some users. --24fan24 (talk) 21:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not opposed, but it's too early for an {{editprotected}}, some discussion first, please. Guy (Help!) 12:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit request

{{editprotected}} Please place |{{{1}}} in the #{{FULLPAGENAME}}, so it reads #{{FULLPAGENAME|{{{1}}}}}. This is so people can insert their own TOC menus. For instance, I added {{ifd|Cpr j images}} to Image:1999-instal-WhiteNoise.jpg, but the image link still points to WP:IFD#Image:1999-instal-WhiteNoise.jpg. hbdragon88 00:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. By the way, the code is actually {{{1|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki

{{editprotected}} Please, add sl:Predloga:Szb. Thanks. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 09:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 10:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with this template

Can we change this template to where it will link to the discussion of the image nominated for deletion, rather than just the entire IFD page? This is a big problem, especially for images that have been moved into the backlogged recesses. Its almost impossible to find the discussion for any given image from the image. —Gaff ^ταλκ 18:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

What I am asking is: can we have the linked phrase Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the Images and media for deletion page actually link to the image's entry rather than the whole page. I hope this is clear? —Gaff ^ταλκ 18:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Currently, IFDs discussions do not have their own discussion subpage, like used on AFDs. IFDs discussions are held in a section of a long IFD discussion page. Currently this template should take you to the discussion's section on this page. --24fan24 (talk) 21:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  
  If possible, the link should be changed to take you to the dated subpage rather than the main IFD page. This may be difficult to do without having to subst the template, though I am not well versed in the arcane realm of template black magic. —Bkell (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The instructions need to say to leave off the Image: and User: prefixes because otherwise the section links fail. ←Ben^B4 05:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor overhaul

Please replace the contents of this template with:

<!-- IfD comment to force linebreak -->
{| style="width:80%; margin:0 auto; background-color:#FFFFFF; border:8px solid #EE0000; padding:5px; text-align:left; font-size:95%;"
! style="line-height:1em; vertical-align:top; font-size:85px" | [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|85px|Warning sign|⚠]]
! This file is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion policy]][[Template:ifd|.]]

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion{{#if:{{{log|}}}|/{{{log}}}|}}<includeonly>#{{{1|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.''

''You are welcome to edit this file, but please do not remove this notice while the discussion is in progress.''
|-
|colspan="2" border="1"|<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style:none; padding:0;"><div class="NavFrame" style="border-style:none; padding:0;"><div class="NavHead" style="background:#FFFFFF; text-align:left;"><span style="font-weight:normal; font-style:italic;">[[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Listing images and media for deletion|How to list a file for deletion]]</span></div>
<div class="NavContent" style="display:none;">
{{IfD doc}}
</div></div></div>
|}<includeonly>[[Category:Images and media for deletion]]</includeonly><noinclude>

Note that this template '''does not have to be [[Wikipedia:Template substitution|substituted]]'''.
[[Category:Deletion templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[de:Vorlage:Löschantrag Bild]]
[[gu:Template:Ifd]]
[[sl:Predloga:Szb]]
[[vi:Tiêu bản:Bỏ phiếu xóa tập tin]]
[[zh:Template:Ifd]]
</noinclude>

This will wikify the template, improve the user experience for screen readers and text only browsers, and remove the rather useless "log" link. —Remember the dot ^(talk)

Most of the changes look fine, but why remove the log link? --- RockMFR 01:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like there were some code errors. I fixed them in the copy above. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I've added another span tag that was missing. --- RockMFR 02:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 04:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any point to the "log" link when by clicking [show] you can see the same edit link and much more. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 04:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you don't see the point, but I came here to ask why there's no log link! Other deletion templates now display the text you need to make the listing and have a link to the log. This one feels like it's from the Stone Ages in comparison. Could somebody improve it please? IFS is always a nightmare because the templates are so crap and there's so many hoops to go through for what usually turns out to be uncontested deletion. --kingboyk (talk) 20:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Done Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 05:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doc subpage

Hi, I've added a documentation subpage at Template:Ifd/doc (see WP:DOC); please modify the source for this template page to:

<!-- IfD comment to force line break -->
{| style="width:80%; margin:0 auto; background-color:#FFFFFF; border:8px solid #EE0000; padding:5px; text-align:left; font-size:95%;"
! style="line-height:1em; vertical-align:top; font-size:85px" | [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|85px|Warning sign|⚠]]
! This file is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion policy]][[Template:ifd|.]]

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion{{#if:{{{log|}}}|/{{{log}}}|}}<includeonly>#{{{1|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.''

''You are welcome to edit this file, but please do not remove this notice while the discussion is in progress.''
|-
|colspan="2" border="1"|<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style:none; padding:0;"><div class="NavFrame" style="border-style:none; padding:0;"><div class="NavHead" style="background:#FFFFFF; text-align:left;"><span style="font-weight:normal; font-style:italic;">[[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Listing images and media for deletion|How to list a file for deletion]]</span></div>
<div class="NavContent" style="display:none;">
{{IfD doc}}
</div></div></div>
|}<includeonly>[[Category:Images and media for deletion]]</includeonly><noinclude>
<!--
    PLEASE DO NOT ADD DOCUMENTATION/CATEGORIES/INTERWIKIS HERE
-->
{{Template doc}}
<!--
    MAKE ADDITIONS TO THE /doc SUBPAGE INSTEAD, THANKS
-->
</noinclude>

My only changes were: (1) Changed "linebreak" to "line break" in comment of first line; and (2) replaced all code after the category includeonly with the present template from WP:DOC. Thanks! +mt 17:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. --ais523 18:07, 28 September 2007 (U T C)

[edit] Signature

{{editprotected}}The instructions tell you to use {{subst:Ifd2|Ifd|Uploader= |Reason= }}- ~~~~. Note that there is only one hyphen before the signature, and the space is inserted after the hyphen (which makes it stick to the reason, like this: reason blah blah- (signature)). This should be changed to match the default Wikipedia signature: {{subst:Ifd2|Ifd|Uploader= |Reason= }} --~~~~. -- Prince Kassad (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Those instructions are actually at Template:IfD doc, which is not protected. I've made the change. —Bkell (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I.	Inform the uploader. Add this text: `{{subst:Idw\|Template talk:Ifd}}`
II.	Add a notice in the caption on each page in the file links. Add this text: `{{ifdc\|Template talk:Ifd\|log=2008 June 14}}`
III.	Add a line to today's IfD. Add this text: `{{subst:Ifd2\|Ifd\|Uploader= \|Reason= }} ~~~~`

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