Talk:Huaorani

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Contents 1 Five American Missionaries 2 What is the source of the death of the 2 Huaorani aspect of the story? 3 Axxn 11:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC) 4 Axxn 11:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC) 5 Sources for 'contribut[ing] to the national good' 6 Page move - Waodani vs. Huaorani 7 Actual name

[edit] Five American Missionaries

None of them was with SIL: Nate_Saint was with Mission Aviation Fellowship. Jim Elliot, Ed McCully, Pete Fleming were with Christian Missions in Many Lands. Roger Youderian was from Gospel Missionary Union. See Talk:SIL_International or http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/74.html and http://www.plymouthbrethren.org/page.asp?page_id=545 --Jabala

[edit] What is the source of the death of the 2 Huaorani aspect of the story?

I have read many accounts of the death of the 5 missionaries, and this is the first one that stated (or at least implied) that somehow the missionaries either were the cause of 2 Huaorani deaths or directly .

I'm trying to find out what the source of this other version is, can anyone help? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.34.246.35 (talk • contribs).

Rival's account (2002) states that Dayuma's brother was shot by a missionary (Nate Saint, I think) and died of the wound later. Ill post details soon. --Carwil 20:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Original question-asker here.. The book you are using as a source (which I assume is 'Trekking Through History' of 2002) isn't listed in sources below. In that book, which I don't own and have no easy access to, how is the source of the information presented? In other words, in Rival's account, what is her source as to the sequence of events? Having a fun time comparing reports of first hand accounts. Thanks! Once I Make a permanent account, I will be Gryfalia, but am not yet..;-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.34.246.35 (talk • contribs).

Rival says

[Rachel Saint and Betty Elliott (and 3-year-old child valerie) arrived at Tihueno with Dayuma.] To this day, the Huaorani trace the legitimate presence of evangelical missionaries within their communities to the lifelong relationship between Dayuma, the Huaorani woman who had lived for many years with the cohuori [outsiders]—and hendce taken for dead—and the North American missionary Rachel Saint, a relationship sealed, as they see it, in the death of their two brothers. Dayuma's brother speared Rachel's brother to death and was injured by a bullet Rachel's brother shot before dying. He died from the injury about a month later. (Rival 2002:158)--Carwil 18:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The article cites "(Saint, 2005)" as a reference for the tribe's violence, but there is no such reference in the list below. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Feline1 (talk • contribs).

There's discussion of this in Operation Auca as well (see the Attack section). --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 19:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Axxn 11:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Taromenane and Onamenane are Tucanoan tribes, by nomeans related to Huao. Nothing is known about Huinatare. This was told by the contacted Tagaeri in 1990s. There have been no peaceful contacts with the Taromenane and nobody knows which language they speak. Then how you can say that Taromenane are Huao?

[edit] Axxn 11:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

SIL is now perpetuating ethnic cleansing of Huao. Although it is nice to convert as many as they can, destroying a culture should not be tolerated. It takes just one Rachel Saint to destroy a culture. But a destroyed culture can't be rebuilt by one million Rachel Saints.

Well said, Axxn. I've visited the Oriente and met some Quechua, and I've read Jone Kane, Randy Smith, Yost, and other accounts. I haven't read Colby yet (don't know if my blood pressure could take it now.) This type of cultural destruction was one factor in past calls for a moratorium on foreign missionaries. Most evangelical groups have resisted all such calls.

I've also read a lot about the impact of the oil industry and its very sloppy pactices. This has compounded the destructive pressures on rainforest native peoples. I was just putting a few bits about this into the Petroecuador stub page, then I remembered this whole subject and came over here.

If I get some free time I should check if I have any further sources to add on this page, although on first glance this looks very well referenced.Birdbrainscan 18:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources for 'contribut[ing] to the national good'

I went looking for a cite for this statement. I found several other pages that include this text nearly verbatim, and in particular I found a longer text in which these lines are contained. That site is anthropology.net. Unfortunately, (a) their longer text does not give a source for this statement, and (b) our article copies basically verbatim from their article, without sourcing them.

I think this needs to be cleaned up, both to give a proper citation for the material, and to avoid a charge of plagiarism of the anthropology.net text (even if they are a Wiki possibly under a GFDL, we still need to cite them!)Birdbrainscan 18:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page move - Waodani vs. Huaorani

I just moved the talk page from Talk:Huaorani to here, to agree with the (apparently undiscussed) move of the article itself. While Waodani is the more common term in evangelical circles, I believe that Huaorani is the preferred term in academic ones, and thus I don't agree with the page move. I'm willing to be convinced, however. Please give rationale for preferring Waodani over Huaorani. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 15:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree it should be renamed back to Huaorani. Google Scholar hit counts:

• Huaorani: 1,100
• Waorani: 627
• Waodani: 18

I rest my case.Birdbrainscan (talk) 01:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I just moved both the article and talk page back to Huaorani. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 02:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Actual name

The actual name for this people group is Waodani, not Huorani. --Tribe12 (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)