Talk:Homelessness in Canada

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Some right wing bigot has larded the entry with derogatory language. Roedyg 12:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Roedy Green

"Less than 20% of the homeless have drug or alcohol abuse problems. Almost half of all homeless people have jobs."

I would like to see these statments attributed. They just don't seem to jive with the reality I see on the ground in my job working at a homeless shelter. Perhaps the situation here in London On. is not reflective of the general problem in Canada, but I would say that easly more then 50% of my cliants are dealing with addiction problems. and far less then half are heading out to work on any given morning.

I don't feel that Jack Layton is creditable enough to be the soul source on homelessness in canada.

I realise that I am offering little more then my own opinions, but I would like to see a few more sources cited. I'll come back to this with some more sources later.--Mike McGregor (Can) 08:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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It's important to remember that in Canada homelessness statistics include both those with no shelter and those with inadequate shelter. Those squatting in abandoned buildings or in over crowded accommodations are counted as homeless. The homeless who use shelters, and those who are visible on the street, have far higher rates of mental illness and addiction. -- SimonP 14:47, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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I'm going to start looking for HIFIS data and summaries of the commmunity reports that were prepaired as to evaluate SCPI.. I'll try to brainstorm some other sources in the this week. (I'll have lots of time while I'm 'working' the overnights...)--Mike McGregor (Can) 03:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

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I'm not having much luck finding stats or info at this time, so I'm going to take the notice thingy down and come back to this later... Mike McGregor (Can) 09:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

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Quote from Deinstitutionalization: "While most of those discharged did integrate with the community, a significant number estimated at around 75% did not." It does not make sense that it is saying that most of those discharged did integrate with the community, when most would imply over 50%, instead of 25%.

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[edit] Introduction

I made some structural adjustments, but the intro statement needs a rewrite. It's just a mess... Leekohlbradley 02:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Immigration as a contributing factor

The discussion page of the article Canadians of convenience addresses the CPRN paper. I have neither the time, nor the inclination, to tackle a brooded article. Adamant myopia needs the intervention of objective & informed third parties.
As for the Statistics Canada paper on low-income rates, it is tackling low-income as a relative measure. It addresses neither homelessness nor incomes at, or resulting in, such an outcome. To wit, it states that this rate showed a larger increase amongst the university-educated! --P00r (talk) 05:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I've removed this section. None of the cites gives any evidence that immigrants are more likely to be homeless than native born Canadians. In fact the opposite is true, as discussed in detail in this Globe article. - SimonP (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

The title of the section is called "Lack of low-income housing". Do you need more citations that immigrants are more likely to use subsidized housing (in addition to the one you deleted)? That is easy if that is the concern. Deet (talk) 23:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

First off your links don't even indicate that immigrants use more subsidized housing. They simply say that they have a greater need for it, not that they use it. For this section to stay we need actual evidence that immigrants have in recent years taken up a larger share of Canada's subsidized housing. - SimonP (talk) 03:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, this is one of the hardest facts in the entire section, which is otherwise full of anecdotes and theories. 45% of Torontonians are foreign born and the paragraph points out that they have over twice the need for subsidized housing, spot on relevant in a section regarding the lack of subsidized housing. I didn't invent the section, just pointed out an important element. Deet (talk) 09:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

The problem is its original research. You could use the same numbers to prove that immigrants are more likely to be homeless than native Canadians, but then if you look at the facts you find they are actually less likely to be. Without evidence, we don't know if the same thing is the case with subsidized housing. - SimonP (talk) 11:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

You could say the same thing about virtually any paragraph in the article (which, even if there were citations, are all anecdotal). Deet (talk) 04:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)