Talk:History of the Long Island Rail Road

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Thank you, NE2 for catching the references and other important paraphernalia. The split seems mostly done, a little quicker than I feared it might be. This is something like the fourth or fifth split I've done, and by far the biggest. Fortunately the big article was already very neatly laid out, so keeping it neat wasn't terribly diffiuclt. In the next few hours I'll go over the now small LIRR article, and see whether any other bits ought to be moved, copied or otherwise patched, but probably you're way ahead of me in every way. Jim.henderson 02:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it might actually make the most sense to place fleet in a new article; there is a lot that can be added but that I'm not interested in. --NE2 02:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Still a big article 2 Names of lines in 1877 3 Notes 4 Broken links 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Long Island Herald.png 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Original MTA LIRR logo.png

[edit] Still a big article

Yes, a lot of fans love the rail more than the choo-choo. This article still exceeds guideline by some 60% but that's not so important for a topic that people only read for love rather than practical information on how to get to Cedarhurst. If someone actually adds a lot more rolling stock, then certainly a new article for it would become appropriate. As it is, the fleet material is quite slim. If we really wanted to slim down the article to fit the guidelines, the red links for South Side and other predecessors would point out the places to move several fat sections into. This work would require more knowledge of substance than I've got; my ignorance of railroading suits me better to deal with questions of style. Jim.henderson 02:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually there's a lot to say about those predecessors; I only included a paragraph on each to give the basics. --NE2 03:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Goodness yes, much can be said. Already the article goes well beyond the conventional encyclopedia formula of just hitting the high points. Its more a matter (sorry, my apostrophe key is stuck) of how much fun it is to write. Were it vital to fit the length guidelines, then the B&J article, now a stub, could accept almost all that the present article says on that line. The late 19th century could be moved into the Tobin biographical article, one or three articles could cover the various Flushing railroads, the tunnel articles could soak up nearly all data about Manhattan, and otherwise things could be moved out from this fat article.

But often an article, like a railroad under construction, has one guiding spirit driving it, and for this one it isnt me, so I shall butt out except where there is a clear need, as there was a need to split off the history from the railroad article. Oh, and three sentences for the History section of the railroad article was my plan, too. One for 19th century, one for Pennsy and its tunnels, and one for MTA. Anyway it is done, and at least as well done as I could have. Jim.henderson 16:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Names of lines in 1877

This information is from "Long Island", Brooklyn Daily Eagle, August 22, 1877, p. 1.  and [1]. --NE2 00:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Main Line: Hunter's Point to Greenport
  • unnamed: Mineola to Hempstead
  • Glen Cove Branch: Mineola to Locust Valley
  • Port Jefferson Branch or Smithtown and Port Jefferson Branch: Hicksville to Port Jefferson
  • Sag Harbor Branch: Manor to Sag Harbor
• Southern Railroad of Long Island Division, Southern Railroad Division, or Southern Division: Hunter's Point of Bushwick to Patchogue
  • unnamed: Valley Stream to Hempstead
• Flushing, North Shore and Central Division or Flushing, North Shore and Central Railroad Division: Hunter's Point to Great Neck or Belmont Junction
  • Great Neck Branch: Flushing to Great Neck
  • Woodside Branch: Woodside to Whitestone
  • Central Branch: Flushing to Belmont Junction
    • unnamed: to Hempstead
• Rockaway Division or Rockaway Branch: Valley Stream to Rockaway Beach
• Atlantic Avenue Division, Atlantic Avenue Branch, Atlantic Avenue Railroad Branch, or Brooklyn Division: Flatbush Avenue to Jamaica

[edit] Notes

There is a full timetable in "untitled", Brooklyn Daily Eagle, May 30, 1897, p. 8.  and page 9: [2]. --NE2 06:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Broken links

How come so many red links? Are they intended to give an impression of inattentiveness, in hopes of attracting a more dilligent editor? To indicate the unimportance of the unwritten articles? To suggest an inability to use comments in the source as a reminder of work undone? Jim.henderson 03:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should read Wikipedia:Red link#Dealing with existing red links and stop the sarcasm. --NE2 03:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, the paragraph makes it pretty clear that these dead links do little to serve any purpose, since many are duplicative or name obscure topics or both, which is why they remain dead and are unlikely to come alive. So, does that mean it's time to start removing at least the duplications? Jim.henderson 14:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

No. --NE2 21:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's how I sometimes feel about my pot belly. It's not pretty or useful, but it's mine and other people don't have to look at it. Jim.henderson 08:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Long Island Herald.png

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Original MTA LIRR logo.png

Image:Original MTA LIRR logo.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)