Talk:Heavenly host

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I deleted the sentence that suggested that Satan has an army of "angels", this sentence states as fact that which is a highly contentious theory-that Satan is a fallen angel. Many (maybe even most) commentators don't ascribe to this theory-it is seen as a misreading of scripture.

It's a widespread belief among Christians that Satan is a fallen angel, thanks in part to Milton. But, either way, would Satan's alleged army qualify as a "heavenly host"? Maestlin 19:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, as the same belief is his realm is hell, opposite heaven, making 'heavenly' most inappropriate for anything concerning Satan after his fall, it would rather be a satanic or hellish host. However, see also Evil Angels, that concept has a serious tradition Fastifex 10:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree there's no definite evidence that Satan was a fallen angel, but there there's a lot of probable evidence, and personally I'd say he was once a fallen angel. Not because of specific citings, but something I've come to in conclusion of my overall understanding of the texts, and some minor citings to support it. A lot of the popular belief is misreading of the scripture though, especially Ezekiel 28 where things such as "You were in Eden, the garden of God.", "You were the sealer of perfection, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty." and "Your heart is proud and you said, “I am a god; I sit in the seat of gods, in the heart of the seas" etc and people think it's talking about Satan, and his fall. But people seemed to have failed to pick up on some massively important phrases such as when the entire chapter is designated to the "Prince of Tyre" at the start and "yet you are a man and not a god, though you think you are godlike.", "though you are a man and not a god" etc.

As mentioned by Fastifex though, fallen angels have heavy evidence to support their biblical existence. Whether Satan was originally an angel or not, he did seem to tempt one third of the angels away from God, and fallen angels are referenced to throughout the scriptures in demonic form (Those allied with Satan) and in what seems to be a renegade form (the grigori).

Oh and for a reference that Satan does indeed have "angels", see Revelation 12:9 where it states "the ancient serpent, the one called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world – was thrown down to the earth, and his angels along with him."

Anyway, in other news, I removed Fastifex's added phrase: "A strictly pacific term is choir of angels." because although that's correct in the Hierarchy of Angels, the divisions of the Heavenly Host seem to be very different, and not confined to the choirs. Minyana 23:10, 29 May 2006 (BST).

[edit] 9 corps of angles?

Under angles in the aritcle, it cites Ezek.28:13-21, but when II follow the link to that passage I see no mention of any number of angels Ybbor 19:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

This article is pathetic; what were the "heavenly armies" supposed to be fighting in the beginning? Kypzethdurron (talk) 19:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)