Talk:Hattori Hanzō

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Hanzomon line? The article contains the text, "To this day, artifacts of Hanzo's legacy remain; the Hanzo-mon subway line in Tokyo is named after him." I linked the article to the subway line, but I'm not sure the statement is true. First, the line might be named after Hanzo-mon, a gate of Edo Castle (and, presumably, located at Hanzomon Station), rather than for Hanzo personally; second, I'm not sure that the Hanzo after whom the gate and/or the line is named is Hattori. Hanzo was a common enough name that it could have been many other people. So, truth or urban legend --- does anyone have reliable information? Fg2 01:22, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

See: http://www.skhquest.com/articles/HanzoHattori.aspx Cspenn

Thanks, I'd seen that, but I'm not sure how reliable it is. One of these days, when I'm experiencing that mythical event called "time off," I'll check the local library to see if they have the dictionary of place names in Japan. (It has one huge volume for each prefecture, and is considered authoritative.) Meanwhile, there's only my memory, and Lord knows, that's not considered authoritative! Fg2 23:36, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

From http://www.crystal-lifes.com/sample3/neighborhoods.html: Perhaps this will shed some light on the matter:

HANZOMON

Hanzomon is named after Hattori Hanzo(el kapo del Samsho de SNK), a famous ninja, who spent almost all of his life in protecting Ieyasu Tokugawa(1542-1616), a warrior, who was the founder of the Tokugawa shogunate. Hanzomon (= Hanzo's Gate) was made in the hope that the gate would protect the Edo Castle just like Hanzo protected Ieyasu. Hanzomon is a major station of Hanzomon Line.

Theshibboleth 19:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The comment "a master of all ninja techniques." flatly contracdicts the first Paragraph where is states "Whether Hattori himself was trained as a ninja is not confirmed." I assume the fist paragraph is the most accurate! LiamMJohnson 13:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Another video game 2 Fiction v.s. History 3 contradictions 4 Name kanji 5 Name Order? 6 Probable plagiarism 7 Project Assessment 8 Fanboyism 9 Four Hattori Hanzōs 10 Fair use rationale for Image:HattoriHanzo.jpg

[edit] Another video game

"Hanzo" also appears as a recruitable Iga Ninja ally in the SNES game Inindo: Way of the Ninja. Very interesting read, by the way.

[edit] Fiction v.s. History

The guy was a lord of iga region "PARTLY" famous for iga ninja. Some people appear to think that everyone from iga was kick arse ninja. That's pretty much same as thinking that M is also 00 simply because s/he is the boss of 007. Whether Hanzou trained himself as ninja is not known but a reference exist that he lead group of iga ninja to do sabotage (mainly arson) in number of battles. I might come back to do bit more editing mainly by translating from Japanese Wikipedia page. Yoji Hajime

Hi Yoji Hajime. Do you have references to authentic material about Hanzo?

Although "Hanzo" is indeed a name mentioned in the ABC television series "LOST", this does not refer to Japanese, Hatori Hanzo. In the series, the head of the Dharma Initiative is Alvar Hanzo.

[edit] contradictions

"Whether Hattori himself was trained as a ninja is not confirmed.

...

He was an extremely skilled swordsman, tactician, spearman, and a master of all ninja techniques."

I don't know enough on the subject to make any changes.

No Japanese Textbook refers to him as a Ninja. The portrayal of such is just media hype dating back to the Meiji Era. To that end, he should always be referred to as a Samurai.

[edit] Name kanji

I can't read kanji, but the Japanese article has 服部正成 for his name. The ones for his first name are different here, therefore they're wrong? --83.169.152.25 20:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC) Oh, shoud have read the text further, it's all clear now.

[edit] Name Order?

judging by the fact that Hattori Hanzo's father's name was Hattori Yasunaga, I'm guessing that Hattori is his family name. Isn't there some kind of policy about Japanese names having to be in the western naming order? Ziiv 21:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

You're quite right that Hattori is the family name. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) specifies Japanese name order (surname first, given name last) for Japanese people born prior to the Meiji period. Fg2 04:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Probable plagiarism

Text in this article is word-for-word copied at http://www.samurai-archives.com/hanzo.html. That page has a copyright notice. Either their copyright notice is invalid because they've appropriated material from Wikipedia, or this page contains copyrighted material. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.171.54.27 (talk) 06:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

The center section of the article was plagiarized from http://www.samurai-archives.com/hanzo.html - the sengoku biographical dictionary was written between 1999 and 2004, and went online late 2004. I removed the plagiarized information. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --Kuuzo 06:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project Assessment

A nice solid biography, and an interesting read. But the list of references in popular culture is far too long; some of it has got to go. LordAmeth 19:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I don't think a list of every video game he is referred to in is necessary. This problem has been discussed on the Talk:MOS/Japan, as you know. I'm just waiting for the list to build up then take an axe to it. Perhaps an inline comment in the section might be useful, any proposals for the wording?--DrHacky 04:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fanboyism

I am very positive that Hattori Hanzo was killed by Fūma Kotarō. In fact, someone has been going to all the samurai who are characters in the Samurai Warriors game and changing all the articles into non-sense. ----

[edit] Four Hattori Hanzōs

There were four Hattori Hanzō. This may be confusing people. See: 服部半蔵. This should probably be explained (or separated/disambiguated):

1. Hattori Hanzō Yasunaga (服部保長): Father of the famous one
2. Hattori Hanzō Masanari (服部正成): The famous one.
3. Hattori Hanzō Masanari II (服部正就): Eldest son of the famous one
4. Hattori Hanzō Masashige (服部正重): Second son of the famous one.

The Kill Bill character is named so because of this tradition of the Hattori family passing down names. Hill of Beans (talk) 23:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:HattoriHanzo.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)