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[edit] New Idea
I don’t think hatred needs a long explanation. A scientific and psychological view point would probably be appropriate but in the mean time those wanting information on it would be better served if we at least direct them to some relevant articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DoNotResuscitate (talk • contribs) 05:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Player Hating
I think the topic of "Player Hating" should be elaborated on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.138.12 (talk) 04:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Love
The emotion is often stigmatized; yet it serves an important purpose, as does love. Just as love signals attachment, hatred signals detachment.
This setence is banal, arbitrary, and, insofar as hatred serves to bind or otherwise identify a person in terms of the object she hates, factually wrong. I recommend changes in line with the following suggestions:
1. The claim that hatred serves an important purpose needs to be qualified. As it stands this could mean anything or nothing.
2. I think something more interesting could be said about hatred than that it is the inversion of love. This is simple-minded and boring.
3. Attachment/detachment seems the wrong contrast here. It is not clear to me that hatred involves any less attachment than love, or that (some forms of) love need involve attachment at all.
- Here's a quote from a psychoanalyst on the relationship between love and hate: "Persistent hate always reveals itself as a derivative of frustrated love". There's a little more detail here, http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=PAQ.023.0136B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.56.88.63 (talk) 15:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Love-Indifference
The following sentence:
...others (incorrectly) consider the opposite of hate to be indifference...
I have changed to
..."other consider the opposite of hate to be indifference"...
The insertion of incorrectly places a bias against the aforementioned opinion and destroys the neutrality prerequisite for a wikipedia article.
-Could someone edit the article: Broken Heart? It needs some work. K thanx :) Lordofchaosiori 17:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Meaningless rambling
I don't mean to be rude, but I think that this article should be entirely rewritten. Most of it has no relevance at all. The third paragraph starts with the rather non-informative statement that "Hatred is not necessarily irrational or unusual". What does that mean? Why write about what something is not? Next, it makes general statements about people, which an encyclopaedia article probably shouldn't. There are many possible reasons for hate or objects of hate, but they do not belong here either.
And why does the author go on and talk about racism, Western culture, what's socially acceptable, war training and logic?
The usage of the word by certain groups in describing prejudice against a group of people doesn't have anything to do with the rest of the article, which is presumably about hate, the emotion. It should be in a separate section, and include a reference to the person, field or group that defines it in this way.
[edit] Article
The article was mostly written when I got here, but I added the 'meaningless rambling' because the article made 'hate' seem like a fundamentally bad thing. Hate is sometimes a rational emotion; if you mean to talk about the emotion of hate it certainly matters where hate comes from and why it evolved. It's been implicated in some pretty destructive things, so it's important to understand it rationally, which is what the encyclopedia should faciliate.
I expect only angry people and peace activists would be interested enough to write an article about hate, so it's not going to come out very well. However I do think it's better than nothing, and there's nothing wrong with listing some common causes of human hate because this is an encyclopedia for humans. I didn't write the hate crimes stuff, I think those laws are irrational and hypocritical, but they are part of the real world so we should acknowledge them. I tried to respect the existing article's perspective while introducing other ideas. Maybe we should write more now, then trim things later if necessary.
What should the article be? A medical description? A history of hate? A rant from philosophers? A subjective description of what it feels like? A taxonomy of animals that feel this emotion and animals that don't? An evolutionary history? A religious diatribe? Hate factors in to many aspects of the modern world, and I think our article here should accommodate as many of those as possible.
- I came here expecting the philosophical and psychological views of hate and at the moment it looks a lot like someone's self-reflection on hatred (violating the no research rule) and then goes into the politics of hatred. I'm disappointed with the article, but I'm not interested in re-writing it.
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- Give it time. Hate like torture is a taboo topic that few professionals seem to have the courage to face head on. I imagine we will have better content as others who share your concerns bring in better sources.
[edit] LaVey quote
Can't we find a better quote regarding hate than one from the self-proclaimed head of the Satanic Church? If you read his books, you'll find within the half-baked moral 'theology' a somewhat skewed sense of most things, not least the concept of hate.
- Since there's a link to Wikiquote anyway, I got rid of that quote.
[edit] External Links
Perhaps we should move "Hate group" to a new section labeled "See Also".
[edit] Disgusting, shameful - loathing
The Wiki article on Love bears the image of a Roman Eros statue - what is the corresponding image for Hate? And isn't it time we banned Hollywood, with its little mickeys and round tits?--shtove 04:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yes indeed! Eros is just one kind of love (and be honest ladies as eros can be hate too!). I seem to remember philia (sp) and agape as other forms of love. Seems to me we should show all forms of hate and love here and there.
[edit] Spinozistic Definition of Hate
Hate is belief that an external object will decrease the probability of your Perpetuation and Peace-of-Mind. The intensity is proportional to the decrease feared. Ethics:3P7.
[edit] Yeah
The true nature of life must be love. To love is to expand. To hate is to contract. Who wants to die alone?
- you wish. Life has both good and bad, light and dark, love and hate. Who wants to die with a 'love' that is a loathsome lie? Hate has it's uses as it causes separation rather than contraction. We need to show hate here with NPOV here so that it is included as part of the whole sprectrum of human emotion. Hate is only the emotion...hate-associated deeds can be either 'good' or 'bad' depending on their consequences. I, for one, hate a lot with very loud rage releases everyday but most people who notice seem to fine with my hates as I harm no one and no thing. For me, hate has been quite freeing as it separates me from my mother who uses loathsome lie-love, low slow nice-vices and insidious covert incests to predate upon her children. I always love myself and others a lot more after I hate than before. IMHO we need to study hate a lot more before we make judgements on it.
[edit] Hate your family
In the Bible, Jesus Christ said to "hate your family". It is often misread to literally mean despise. But Jesus actually meant by the Hebrew translation of hate, to love less than. He told people to show less love to fellow man, and fully love God.
As far as I know: 1. There is no word in Hebrew which means "love less than" (I am a native Hebrew speaker). 2. The current version of the New Testament is a translation from Greek. 3. No one can claim to know what "Jesus actually meant". 4. The trem "Jesus Christ" is not neutral.
Thanks.
I agree this article is very...dsigusting to say at the least.
For example
"Some believe that hate does not exist; and is merely a tragic misinterpretation brought on by misunderstanding."
A very loose tie between hate and being rascist... ""Hate" or "hatred" is also used to describe feelings of prejudice, bigotry or condemnation (see shunning) against a person, or a group of people, such as racism, and intense religious or political prejudice. The term hate crime is used to designate crimes committed out of hatred in this sense."
%%%%%%WHOA....Jesus NEVER said to hate your family. He said to LOVE your neighbor as yourself...if He said to love your neighbor, why would he say to HATE your family?????? Please quote where this is in the bible if you want to say that....thanks!! :) %%%%%%%%
I agree with the user above me, Jesus NEVER said to hate your family.Mooncrest (talk) 19:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually Jesus said "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (King James, Luke 14:26)
What he meant was do not put people("family") first then God because people can turn away from you.Mooncrest (talk) 00:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Need to avoid toxins?
Where did that come from?! And what does it have to do with hate? --frothT C 20:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shameful
This article is a shame to Wikipedia; I thought surely this topic would have an extensive article, yet not only is it barely more than a stub, it is rife with nonsense (I removed some of it). Also, to the person above complaining about the LaVey quote: way to keep in line with Wikipedia standards of neutrality. If LaVey has a good quote that is relevant, it should be used. This isn't the place for religious bigotry or opinions.
I may try to rewrite this just because it's presently so awful, but I'm no psychologist or expert, so I'd appreciate help. -Lvthn13 04:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
--I agree, this article blows chunks. ((it's also not a place for cussing.))
Used to be a lot longer. I am displeased. Kurrupt3d (talk) 19:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hatred - major motive behind armed conflict
That's disputable, as an overwhelming majority of conflicts were caused by economic reasons - thus it would be not hatred, but greed... With respect, Ko Soi IX 04:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, War is also as a means for protection. Some Entity attacks another, the other will fight back to stay alive... I believe it's called the "Flight Or Fight Response"... Hate as a motive for war is more of a theory... The it was probably stated in one of the books used as a reference...
BigBluntman 09:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] This Article is PATHETIC!
Come on wikipedia - this article is soooo much more than just an encyclopedia. What about scientific categorisations of hatred? What about "genetic similarity theory and ethnic nationalism", which is a paper that shows that EVEN RATS don't kill their own blood? What about juicy links to genocide studies? Surely the single most powerful motivator in human history deserves more of a cross-examination than this pathetic article? Jesus fucking Christ (with all due respect).
[edit] Hate or hatred
The article's title is "hate", but the article only talks about "hatred". Please make the terminology consistent. I don't know the subtle difference in meaning between the nouns "hate" and "hatred". Dictionary reference for "hate" as a noun:
- 1. Intense animosity or dislike; hatred.
- 2. An object of detestation or hatred: My pet hate is tardiness.
Since meaning 2 is not mentioned in the article, the article would better be named hatred. Han-Kwang 19:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
==I agree with the above. Also, hate of certain styles of music (i.e. Rap) would be helpful. -vic
[edit] W H Y T H I S ? ? ?
The introduction is: Often the verb "to hate" is used casually as an exaggeration to describe things one merely dislikes, such as a particular style of architecture, a certain climate or some particular kind of food. This examples are completely stupid. How can somebody give an example for hate, the hate to architecture or food? It sounds just so funny. I really dont like mashrooms, but when I see a mashroom, I really do not need to feel hate. Why dont you take hate for ceramics instead of architecture? Cant you see how many people feel hatred to porcelain cups? --Lycantrophe 15:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] how about more of the psychology of hatred?
or the vemon it contains? this article just seems rather dull. also it talks about the separation caused by hatred, but can't it be just as binding as love? just in an opposite fashion?
21:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)meh—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.141.45 (talk) 21:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
This article certainly needs to be expanded upon. I agree that hate should be viewed from a Philosophic and scientific point of view. Someone mentioned above that they didnt like the opening. I didnt care for its placement in the article but I do think its a relevant point. In the english language the word hate is thrown around a lot. Hate is often said when the person simply dislikes, so i understand the writers point, but it certainly could be rewritten without the examples, and placed somewhere else in the article. It shouldnt be the opening.Odin1 17:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Why not a religious point of view?
As love is a fundamnetal feeling and term in religion, especially Christianity, also hate is one. Why not bring this into the article as well. For example the word hate is mentioned in the King James translation of the Bible 85 times and love is mentioned 281 times. I would like to see this somehow in the article. For example on interperation of the Bibles texts conserning hate is that one should not hate. On the other hand it would be interresting to hear what muslims, hindus etc. think about hate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.197.235.210 (talk) 11:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
