Talk:Harry Kim (Star Trek)

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Contents 1 Naomi 2 Harry Kim the mayor and Harry Kim the fictional character 3 Should future years be linked? 4 Middle names 5 Suggestions 6 More suggestions 7 Duplicates of what? 8 My most recent edit

[edit] Naomi

Its amazing that Wikipedia had an article on Naomi Wildman, but not on Ensign Kim, whose a main character and whose actor is credited in the opening credits. But on deeper reflection, he's one of the more boring characters on Voyager. Perhaps the creators were afraid to offend Asians, so they made his character bland. ShutterBugTrekker 19:34, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Harry Kim the mayor and Harry Kim the fictional character

I think we are going to have to turn this into a disambiguation page, pointing to Harry Kim (Star Trek) and Harry Kim (mayor). Normally, I'm loath to append "(Star Trek)" to the title of an article on a Star Trek character, but in this case it appears that the mayor may have a stronger claim to having the article "Harry Kim" without any parenthetical clarifications. ShutterBugTrekker 23:40, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I looked at Wikipedia:Naming conventions for guidance on this issue. I did not find anything that gave a clear directive to this specific case. But, given my understanding of the naming conventions, this is what I think we should do: like it or not, Harry Kim the fictional Star Trek character is more widely known so he keeps the article titled Harry Kim. Harry Kim the mayor gets Harry Kim (mayor). Robert Happelberg 14:29, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think it would be much more fair to use this page as a disambiguation page and link them to Harry Kim (fictional) and Harry Kim (politician). --Gerald Farinas 16:29, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Agree with you the Council does, Gerald Farinas, except on the small detail of what to put in parenthesis for the fictional character. For Star Trek characters needing disambiguation, the usual format is characterName (Star Trek), so in this case we would have Harry Kim (Star Trek). Though I suppose Harry Kim(fictional) would be OK since as far as I know there are no other fictional universes besides Star Trek with a Harry Kim. ShutterBugTrekker 18:59, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Should future years be linked?

I'm of the opinion that future years should not be linked, because even if there are articles for those future years, most Wikipedians generally disapprove of putting fictional events in those articles. ShutterBugTrekker 21:00, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Middle names

Memory Alpha suggests that Kim's middle initials are S. L. Does anyone have a source on this or know what they stand for? 81.77.238.24 23:15, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

It is seen on a personnel file in the episode "Non Sequiter." ----Willie 09:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions

I think the article could be improved with the outright removal of the very confusing 'menacing subtext' section and the Trivia section

Lots42 23:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you, and since no one has objected, I am going to remove the trivia section myself. Ejfetters 06:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More suggestions

1) Add in the other times Kim has actually died.

2) I don't think a holographic simulation is an active indicator of a personality trait. Especially since Seska wrote it. In either case, it's no surprise that a Starfleet Ensign sticks by his Captain. That's what they are trained to do. Lots42 (talk) 13:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicates of what?

Okay, there seems to be a huge debate on which Harry Kim and which Voyager died. Lots42 (talk) 18:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I did some research. Startrek.com, pretty darn official, says the duplicated ship, the undamaged one, blew itself up to save the damaged one. http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/features/specials/article/1668.html Lots42 (talk) 18:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Bottom line is that harry kim died in deadlock. It's the same as if I were to make a clone of you and then kill you. The clone might be identical in every single respect to you. But you are still dead. For futher reference, watch The 6th Day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.141.241 (talk) 20:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

If there is disagreement in fandom, simply state it. "Startrek.com says so-and-so, while [someone else who can be referenced or linked to] interprets that such-and-such happened". No reason the article needs to take a definitive position on which interpretation is correct if there is legitimate room for disagreement. -- Infrogmation (talk) 01:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I do not believe there is legit room for disagreement. I believe the episode states very clearly which Kim did what. Lots42 (talk) 02:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

If the real ship was the one that blew up, we would have a whole lot more problems. We would have to change each and every one of the crew member's bios to say that they died on 2372. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.141.241 (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My most recent edit

I removed the bit saying Harry Kim is extremely loyal to Janeway; this is pretty obvious by default. Also, what a holoprogram writer has a holo-character do means little to nothing in relation with the real (as real as Harry Kim can get, being fictional) person's character. Lots42 (talk) 05:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)